Carefull as yer go lads, an innocent stupid mistake ????

[sailorman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-27804604

 

[Lakesailor]

Add this to my thread about Britain being f**ked-up.
The CPS won't miss an opportunity will they?
Do they think the bloke had the slightest idea what would happen or that he was cavalier with his family's lives? He must be more than devastated.

No. It's a case of "You survived. We'll have you."

 

[bedouin]

Seems like another crazy decision by the CPS, unless there are facts we don't know about

 

[Wandering Star]

That is just terrible. Huge sympathy for the man and I hope the Judge throws the case out in the first few minutes of the trial.

 

[KenMcCulloch]

What, so we are not to be held to account for our 'innocent stupid mistakes' or as it might be described 'negligent disregard for basic safety'? I don't see this as any different from death resulting from neglected maintenance of a motor vehicle.

 

[VicS]

Seems like another crazy decision by the CPS, unless there are facts we don't know about

I hope the Judge throws the case out in the first few minutes of the trial.

I take it that the generator, and its "improvised exhaust system" using what appears to be soft soldered plumbing fittings, was installed by Matthew Eteson.

It looked pretty unsatisfactory to me but it will be the Court's job to decide if he is guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence

 

[sailorman]

What, so we are not to be held to account for our 'innocent stupid mistakes' or as it might be described 'negligent disregard for basic safety'? I don't see this as any different from death resulting from neglected maintenance of a motor vehicle.

Have you never ever claimed on accident insurance

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Have you never ever claimed on accident insurance

I have but, if I were to run over your nearest and dearest, I wouldn't expect you to be demanding that the case should be thrown out because it was just a dreadful error of judgement on my behalf.

 

[sailorman]

I have but, if I were to run over your nearest and dearest, I wouldn't expect you to be demanding that the case should be thrown out because it was just a dreadful error of judgement on my behalf.

He had his nearest & dearest with him, he cocked-up for what ever reason & killed them

 

[davidpbo]

He had his nearest & dearest with him, he cocked-up for what ever reason & killed them

For which he had already suffered considerably.

 

[lw395]

What, so we are not to be held to account for our 'innocent stupid mistakes' or as it might be described 'negligent disregard for basic safety'? I don't see this as any different from death resulting from neglected maintenance of a motor vehicle.

It's worse than neglecting a vehicle, it seems like an active act of stupidity that anyone should reasonably have known might cause a death.
Enough deaths from generators have been in the papers over the years.

But then people on here are very cavalier with carbon mon.

 

[sailorman]

For which he had already suffered considerably.

Quite so & will continue to do so until his dying day

 

[sailorman]

It's worse than neglecting a vehicle, it seems like an active act of stupidity that anyone should reasonably have known might cause a death.
Enough deaths from generators have been in the papers over the years.

But then people on here are very cavalier with carbon mon.

Since this case came to the forum a year or so ago i & many others installed a carbon monoxide alarm o/b

 

[Lakesailor]

I don't see this as any different from death resulting from neglected maintenance of a motor vehicle.

Yes it is different.
He did what he thought was a sufficient installation. He was wrong, but if this becomes a Manslaughter charge then people are on notice not to do anything for fear of the Law.
People will start having to employ people to do anything which may have a poor outcome. So that is everything then.

Perhaps the CPS should start charging those people who rashly kill themselves by using barbecues indoors or get in the way of buses. I'm sure you can bring charges posthumously.........

 

[Rigger Mortice]

I wonder what the family of the mother and her daughter feel about it all? Perhaps they don't feel inclined to stand back, shrug their shoulders, and say "Oh, dear"?

 

[jerrytug]

Can the MODS move this to the lounge, the yaching connection has now vanished.

 

[sailorman]

Can the MODS move this to the lounge, the yaching connection has now vanished.

NO it hasnt
the skipper is being charged with manslaughter & quite relevant here

 

[JumbleDuck]

That is just terrible. Huge sympathy for the man and I hope the Judge throws the case out in the first few minutes of the trial.

Do we really want "My client is terribly upset" to be a defence to a manslaughter charge?

 

[JumbleDuck]

Can the MODS move this to the lounge, the yaching connection has now vanished.

I disagree. People die distressingly frequently on boats as a result of decisions made and actions taken by others, so the extent to which these decisions and actions could be seen to justify a charge of manslaughter is directly relevant to anyone who skippers a boat.

 

[onesea]

It's worse than neglecting a vehicle, it seems like an active act of stupidity that anyone should reasonably have known might cause a death.
Enough deaths from generators have been in the papers over the years.

But then people on here are very cavalier with carbon mon.

Can I just change that a little bit...
"It's worse than neglecting a vehicle, it seems like an active act of stupidity that anyone should reasonably have known might cause a death.
Enough deaths from water have been in the papers over the years.

But then people on here are very cavalier with the sea."