Can't decide which tender to go for??

[lanerboy]

Hi All

I am looking to purchase a new tender or good quality 2nd hand one, the thing is I can't decide which to go for. I have been looking at the Ribeye 280 but wanted your thoughts on any other makes that I could go for

regards engine at the moment I have a 6hp Suzuki four stroke but I am looking to buy a 5hp mariner 2 stroke to fit on which ever tender I go for, I need to be able to pull the tender back onto either Hurley davits or some teak made chocks by hand so need to keep it as light as possible

It will be going onto my Phantom 40 2004 model but I keep forgetting to measure between the two ( is it gun rails) on either side of the transom so if anyone knows this measurement please feel free to tell me as I am still not sure a 2.8mtr tender is the right size

thanks again all

 

[Whitelighter]

I'd go for the Ribeye TL series - light aluminium ribs. Easier to haul up the beach/onto your Davits and any weight you can save will mean the motor performs better.

Great little solid ribs.

 

[rafiki_]

Shawn, as you know I have a Ribeye 2.6 with a 6 hp Yamaha outboard. This is very easy to launch and recover on the Hurley davits. The Yamaha is not the smoothest of engines, and I cannot vouch for the Mariner or Suzuki competitors. The 2.6 allows for reasonable space either side on the bathing platform. No problem getting on/off either side.

 

[npf1]

if you can stretch to 3.2m I have a Caribe that I ought to sell.

 

[lanerboy]

if you can stretch to 3.2m I have a Caribe that I ought to sell.

thanks but too big for me

 

[Racingfrank7]

I have just treat myself to a new one, I looked at them all & decided I wanted a aluminum hull so then concentrated on the company's making them, and ended up going for a ribeye.
On the other side of this I now have a lovely yam 8hp 2stroke that is forsale due to wanting a 15hp for new one.
8hp yam made a 270 air deck plane with me the wife & our young daughter.

 

[RogerRat]

Shawn, as you know I have a Ribeye 2.6 with a 6 hp Yamaha outboard. This is very easy to launch and recover on the Hurley davits.

I'm pretty sure the 6Hp model will convert to an 8Hp either by carb or reed valve change. If you do, the performance will be great on your 2.6 Ribeye. As mentioned lower down. The 6Hp is a two cylinder engine and should be very smooth when running.

Hi 'lanerboy',
Your Phantom 40 should take a 270-280 dinghy well. Note, some 270s' are bigger than you think and some smaller. The Walker Bay 270 is more like 285 and will take 4 persons with gear and very stable. A friend had one on a Princess P42 with a passerelle for lifting, worked well with a Yam 8Hp. My WB270 had the Merc 10Hp on it when I changed boats. The Valiant 270 however, is quite a lot smaller, 3 persons max. if water calm and light loading. If you want light-weight dinghy though, an air deck is a very good compromise. I had a Quicksilver 270 air deck with a 10Hp Mercury 2 stroke on my Phantom 38 which is very similar in the swim platform area. It was excellent all round and I chose lightweight to keep the load off the stern.

I know what you mean though, it is all a bit of a mine field as there are so many to choose from. Better to go by recommendation from someone that has actually owned one and also take into account how you will use it. Ferrying to the beach is a very different use to ditch crawling or flying about various harbours in stealth mode in the dark!

 

[lanerboy]

at the moment I have a quicksilver 3.3mtr air deck on snap davits which I think is way too big for the boat and is pig ugly

I really want to change to a smaller tender that I can have on the bathing platform on chocks and leave the engine on 24/7 then I can just drop off the back when ever I want to use it

I do like the look of the ribeye 280 I am not bothered about zooming around on the plane just want to be able to get to shore if we are at anchor and mooch around the harbour etc etc hence the smaller 2 stroke engine to keep the weight down

if I do go for a 2.8 mtr ribeye with a 5hp 2 stroke motor will this be light enough for me to pull up onto chocks manually ??????

 

[Nigelpickin]

+1 for the walker bay

 

[lanerboy]

can anyone please tell the measurement between the two gunwales???? on my phantom 40 I have again forgotten to take this measurement and will not be back down the boat for about 4-5 weeks I have sent fairline an email but had no response

need to know the measurement between the arrow thanks

 

[stelican]

PM sent

 

[RogerRat]

can anyone please tell the measurement between the two gunwales???? on my phantom 40 I have again forgotten to take this measurement and will not be back down the boat for about 4-5 weeks I have sent fairline an email but had no response

need to know the measurement between the arrow thanks

Sorry can't help you with this actual measurement, but you other post showing a 3.3 airdeck on snap davits has as it fills the space you have. These aren't your 'gunwales' btw. (as you did ask in your OP. Think of an open rowing boat, fill it to the top and you will have filled it to the "gunnels" also the origin) You are just asking for the width of the swim platform between the rear quarters.

Take care on this, the reason I went for the airdeck was to reduce weight on the stern on P38 which is very similar. The reason I went to conventional davits was to be able to leave the engine in place and have walk access across the swim deck. If you go for a chock mounted arrangement the length of the dinghy will need to be shorter or you will very limited access through your transom door. The measurement you should be asking for is from the stbd. qtr. to the port side of the swim ladder as a max size, otherwise this limitation will become very tedious in time.

Finally, the 2.8 rib and a 5Hp 2 stroke. This motor would be a single cylinder so much lighter lighter than a 6-10Hp and again lighter than a 4Hp 4 stroke. It would be a good mix for easy movement ashore, non planing. The RibEye is not one of the lightest ribs and therefore may take quite a heave to drag up manually onto chocks. Check the specs and weights on your shortlist of favourites, as you're not going to be a speed freak, lighter the better.

 

[crazy4557]

at the moment I have a quicksilver 3.3mtr air deck on snap davits which I think is way too big for the boat and is pig ugly

I really want to change to a smaller tender that I can have on the bathing platform on chocks and leave the engine on 24/7 then I can just drop off the back when ever I want to use it

I do like the look of the ribeye 280 I am not bothered about zooming around on the plane just want to be able to get to shore if we are at anchor and mooch around the harbour etc etc hence the smaller 2 stroke engine to keep the weight down

if I do go for a 2.8 mtr ribeye with a 5hp 2 stroke motor will this be light enough for me to pull up onto chocks manually ??????

I've got a Ribeye 280 on my boat and it's not the lightest of tender's . I haven't used it in the water yet so can't comment on it's performance but I only have a Yam 4hp 4stroke so doubt it will fly. I think it's rated at max 8hp so I'm looking for a newish one if anyone knows of one for sale.
You're welcome to come and have a play and nose if that helps.

 

[RogerRat]

I've got a Ribeye 280 on my boat and it's not the lightest of tender's . I haven't used it in the water yet so can't comment on it's performance but I only have a Yam 4hp 4stroke so doubt it will fly. I think it's rated at max 8hp so I'm looking for a newish one if anyone knows of one for sale.
You're welcome to come and have a play and nose if that helps.

Hi Andy,
Look at 'RacingFrank's' Post No. 6 on this thread. He has an 8Hp for sale as he wants a 15Hp. If you want to plane then you'll need at least this much oompf

 

[crazy4557]

Hi Andy,
Look at 'RacingFrank's' Post No. 6 on this thread. He has an 8Hp for sale as he wants a 15Hp. If you want to plane then you'll need at least this much oompf

Hi Roger,

yes, got details from him but a bit too old. My last outboard was a nightmare and it was only 3 years old so I need a reliable one preferably under warranty. Gone to look for a 9.9hp four stroke maybe? I want a 15hp as same weight but maybe a bit too frisky for my boys to use.

 

[RogerRat]

Still might be worth a look the 8Hp is pretty bulletproof and there aren't any late ones. They still fetch a good price as there's nothing to compare. It'll drive your dinghy well but not frighten you too much when the 'boys are back in town'.

 

[Nick_H]

Lanerboy

You can scale that measurement off a drawing, with easily enough accuracy to know if the tender will fit. Find a layout drawing on the internet (or in your manual?), scale off from a known measurement (beam is usually more reliable, as you never know what they've included in LOA), then you can work out the dimension you're after. I usually go one step further and cut out scale versions of the tender to see exactly how it will fit on the mothership, in plan and side view so you can see how well the bow of the tender fits over the GRP fillets at either end of the bathing platform

As regards the outboard, if you don't want to plane, but want to lift the tender on to the chocks manually, i'd consider a 3.3 hp 2 stroke. It wont be a rocketship, but will easily push a 2.7m tender, weigh only 13 kgs, and if it stops you can fix it with a hammer.

 

[lanerboy]

Lanerboy

You can scale that measurement off a drawing, with easily enough accuracy to know if the tender will fit. Find a layout drawing on the internet (or in your manual?), scale off from a known measurement (beam is usually more reliable, as you never know what they've included in LOA), then you can work out the dimension you're after. I usually go one step further and cut out scale versions of the tender to see exactly how it will fit on the mothership, in plan and side view so you can see how well the bow of the tender fits over the GRP fillets at either end of the bathing platform

As regards the outboard, if you don't want to plane, but want to lift the tender on to the chocks manually, i'd consider a 3.3 hp 2 stroke. It wont be a rocketship, but will easily push a 2.7m tender, weigh only 13 kgs, and if it stops you can fix it with a hammer.

cheers nick

great idea

I have just done what you said and even went to the length of cutting out the tender to scale and placing it over the bathing platform I have drawn, this confirms that a 260 rib fits comfortably and a 280 rib fits but it may be a bit of a squeeze getting on the boat but I will know more when I go down at the weekend

I have a measurement of 2920mm between the narrowest points where the boat meets the bathing platform so depends how far back I can get the tender on the davits.

here is a picture I found on the net of a phantom 40 same as mine with a tender on the back but I don't know the size of it, sorry if its some ones boat off here

 

[crazy4557]

What you really need is a bigger boat! Then you'll get the dinghy size you really always wanted to fit the bathing platform.
Isn't that what we all do in a fashion, keep convincing ourselves that we need the next size up?

 

[lanerboy]

What you really need is a bigger boat!

pmsl don't go there this boating lark really is addictive AND expensive lol