Can you ID this engine?

[BGW]

Hi all,

A friend has recently renovated an old wooden motor sailor and would like to know what engine this is.
There is a plate on a bulkhead that says 'Thorneycroft' but it may not match the engine, and he has no idea what the base engine is.

Many thanks.

 

[SlimRick]

Looks like it could be a Thornycroft 138:

http://www.johnsadverts.co.uk/thornycroft-marine-diesel-engine-vintage-1969-advert-930-p.asp

 

[Tranona]

Pretty sure it is a BMC base engine.

 

[Lakesailor]

It could be the 140 (Landrover based) or the 154 (London Taxi based) Most other Thornycrofts seemed to be Ford based. No mention of the 138 in parts lists and most parts no longer available for most engines.

 

[Rivers & creeks]

Most other Thornycrofts seemed to be Ford based. No mention of the 138 in parts lists and most parts no longer available for most engines.

Are you sure? Thornycrofts are renowned for - amongst other things - being easy to get spares for. All spares needed for our Thorny are readily available from ASAP. When the yard worked on it last August they got all the bits they needed off the shelf from the local motor factors.

 

[BGW]

Thanks guys, it certainly looks like the picture SlimRick posted - and interestingly (Lakesailor) we were commenting last weekend how much it sounded like an old London Taxi!.

I will do a bit more research based on this info.

 

[PCUK]

It's not a BMC 2.2 which was the taxi engine.

 

[scottie]

Could've based on the standard triumph engine which as I recall was used in the standard atlas van and may have been used in a tractor.

 

[Mikechappers]

If its a BMC it will more than likely have MOWOG on it somewhere, probably cast into the block

 

[ffiill]

Pretty sure it is a BMC base engine.

Not sure about that-the injectors on the BMC 2.2 and 2.5 were straight bolt down flange with spill backs across top.
I had one put in a Landrover many years ago.
Think slim rick is right-note how unusually injector pump and waterpump appear to be both driven inline off front of engine as in brochure.

 

[BGW]

Not sure about that-the injectors on the BMC 2.2 and 2.5 were straight bolt down flange with spill backs across top.
I had one put in a Landrover many years ago.
Think slim rick is right-note how unusually injector pump and waterpump appear to be both driven inline off front of engine as in brochure.

I have to agree - all pictures I have seen on BMC engines so far have the fuel pump and injectors on the other side of the engine too.
I was hoping someone would recognise the distinctive injector clamps?
The Thornycroft 138 looks most similar so far but I can find nothing about it with Internet searches.

 

[Lakesailor]

I did find mention of it. The a page with that waterpump casting on and all the details had been edited to say "No longer available" with the advice to take it to an engineers to have it refurbed if needed.

These seem to be your choices. No mention of 138s anywhere.

The Thornycroft Type 154 is a 4 cylinder, 4 stroke, vertical, inline 2.52L diesel engine, based on the BMC2.52 series engine block, once the most popular fitment in London black taxis.

The Thornycroft Type 152 is a 4 cylinder, 4 stroke, vertical, inline 2.5L diesel engine, based on the naturally aspirated Ford FSD425 - the industrial version of the direct injection Ford 2.5 Transit engine.

The Thornycroft Type 150 is a 4 cylinder, 4 stroke, vertical, inline 2.5L diesel engine, based on the five bearing crank version of the Landrover 2.5 series engine.

The Thornycroft Type 140 is a 4 cylinder, 4 stroke, vertical, inline 2.29L diesel engine, based on the five bearing crank version of the popular Landrover 2.25 series engine.

The Thornycroft Type 110 is a 4 cylinder, 4 stroke, vertical, inline 1.753L diesel engine, based on the Ford XLD418 - the industrial version of the later Escort/Orion/Fiesta 1.8 engine.

 

[Latestarter1]

Could've based on the standard triumph engine which as I recall was used in the standard atlas van and may have been used in a tractor.

And the prize goes to this man..........well spotted.

It is a Standard 20C 2.092 cc diesel engine. Developed for the Fergie tractor, 25 hp @ 2,200 rpm.

Later used in the Standard Vanguard and Atlas van producing around 60 Hp at 3,800 rpm.

Thorycroft took 20C engines in the mid 50's when they were getting out of their own engines built in Reading.

Coventy Climax also used the motor in fork lift trucks.

Upside parts available from Grey Fergie websites.

Downside, absolute bitch to start.

 

[2Tizwoz]

Standard 23c origins

The engine is a later model closer to those fitted to the Massey Ferguson FE35 tractor

The tractors had heaters in the manifold whereas the one in the picture has four glow plugs which no doubt improved the starting. Some people fit glowplugs to the tractor engines

Parts are readily available as has been said

 

[BGW]

That's brilliant - looks like it's a Massey Ferguson base - It starts and runs very well, so it's just a case of being able to get spares as and when required.
On the Thornycroft plate there are some very faint numbers - looks like 160-24-314 Any ideas if they built engines based on the MF65 engine?

 

[Latestarter1]

That's brilliant - looks like it's a Massey Ferguson base - It starts and runs very well, so it's just a case of being able to get spares as and when required.
On the Thornycroft plate there are some very faint numbers - looks like 160-24-314 Any ideas if they built engines based on the MF65 engine?

No cos 65 used a Perkins 4.203 and they did ther own marinisations although I do not think they ever did the 4.203.

 

[scottie]

From what I recall there were two versions low and high output so that ties with Ls1

 

[BGW]

Perfect - Thanks guys.