Renegade_Master
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and surely if he was motoring (no sails up) he would have an inverted black triangle cone
Can photographs be used to prosecute poor seamanship
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fireball
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Why?
Renegade_Master
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cos thats the rules
fireball
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not wiv no sails up it aint .....
colingr
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He's right you know. Cone when motor <u>sailing</u> , not motoring.
fireball
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and HE runs a sea school?!!!!! What do you think he teaches to the sea? How to create waves more efficiently!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Geoffs
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This exact situation happened to me, if I'd maintained course and speed, a collision or very near miss would have occurred, constant bearing etc. I had to slow to a crawl, geography and other traffic precluded turn to port or starboard. The other option was a 180. I guess.
In my case the other vessel had 'Southampton Harbour Master' written down the side.
In my case the other vessel had 'Southampton Harbour Master' written down the side.
l'escargot
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Is that the only photo Pete or is there a series? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Renegade_Master
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I am not the instructor old chap merely the dogs body and money man :~)
Dont think I've ever seen a black inverted cone on a sail boat wiv sails up, they put the motor on and never bother with the cone it seems.
Dont think I've ever seen a black inverted cone on a sail boat wiv sails up, they put the motor on and never bother with the cone it seems.
OGITD
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Log on to www.sailingnetworks.com, search for “Close Quarters” and see what you think. I do have a picture with his sail number but I am not too sure if I should post that one on the web.
Add your own close quarters pictures, start a debate and lets just see if we can make people aware of the “rule of the road” and improve on seamanship, navigation and the safety at sea for all vessel’s
Add your own close quarters pictures, start a debate and lets just see if we can make people aware of the “rule of the road” and improve on seamanship, navigation and the safety at sea for all vessel’s
Elessar
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Unfortunately I'd come off the plane here, they were hanging on to their cameras too tightly to take photos when I passed them at 25knots at this distance.
A 3rd party photo would have had it out of context. (my avatar photo was taken on the same day from the same boat)
A 3rd party photo would have had it out of context. (my avatar photo was taken on the same day from the same boat)
Searush
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I assume that's done as a photo session with the prior knowledge & consent of the raggie?
The other pics have not been too bad, but that would have me calling all crew to hang on tight for fear of loosing a few. Especially with so much water available to allow a sensible clearance.
I trust you returned the compliment by taking pics of them under full sail/ spinnaker as they passed within meters of your good self?
The other pics have not been too bad, but that would have me calling all crew to hang on tight for fear of loosing a few. Especially with so much water available to allow a sensible clearance.
I trust you returned the compliment by taking pics of them under full sail/ spinnaker as they passed within meters of your good self?
Elessar
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A kite shot in that wind wouldn't have looked that impressive...........
And whilst not set up as a photo shoot yes we're friends, I was single handed that day so had even stolen my crew from the raggie - well she forgot to get off after lunch tied together at anchor and I wasn't complaining. The fender is still on deck coz I knew I'd have to give her back at some point, I'm not normally that sloppy even single handed.
Point is a third party observer could have taken some alarming shots.
And whilst not set up as a photo shoot yes we're friends, I was single handed that day so had even stolen my crew from the raggie - well she forgot to get off after lunch tied together at anchor and I wasn't complaining. The fender is still on deck coz I knew I'd have to give her back at some point, I'm not normally that sloppy even single handed.
Point is a third party observer could have taken some alarming shots.
Frontier
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good post,
its got everyone going and proved that photos are often useless to support witness statements. Unless it's a photo of the damage /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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its got everyone going and proved that photos are often useless to support witness statements. Unless it's a photo of the damage /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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DAKA
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Is that the only photo Pete or is there a series? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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only this one
It looks like only a few have spotted the obvious /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Is that the only photo Pete or is there a series? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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only this one
It looks like only a few have spotted the obvious /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
flaming
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It looks like only a few have spotted the obvious /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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The whole thing was fake?
It looks like only a few have spotted the obvious /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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The whole thing was fake?
grumpy_o_g
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The second photo is obviously a fake as no self-respecting raggie would ever have a Jet-ski, even one with a Klingon cloaking device (presumably how it could be invisible in the first photo).
ADLS
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I feel that wash does come into it, yes we go to sea and take what comes.
But for someone to make a wash and create problems for others is very poor seamanship. Even more so in marinas and river moorings, where meals are being taken, repairs done and crew are stood down not looking out for waves etc.
I took up boating in 1995 and found it just like motoring used to be. If you saw someone broken down you would stop and help, you would slow even stop before driving through a water puddle and not soak those on the pavement, sadly no more.
But for someone to make a wash and create problems for others is very poor seamanship. Even more so in marinas and river moorings, where meals are being taken, repairs done and crew are stood down not looking out for waves etc.
I took up boating in 1995 and found it just like motoring used to be. If you saw someone broken down you would stop and help, you would slow even stop before driving through a water puddle and not soak those on the pavement, sadly no more.
Chris_d
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Yeh very clever , you can go off people you know.
nonitoo
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IMHO (getting back to the original question)
No, not without some sort of corroboration. Even the police only use photography as a means of identification where speeding is concerned (photo time against marks/sensors on the road or in the police car).
On its own a picture is pretty useless as evidence unless, as has been said before, it is an assessment of damage.
While "too fast" can be decided by regulation, what is the definition of "too close" and "too much wake".
All would be necessary for a successful prosecution.
Tom
No, not without some sort of corroboration. Even the police only use photography as a means of identification where speeding is concerned (photo time against marks/sensors on the road or in the police car).
On its own a picture is pretty useless as evidence unless, as has been said before, it is an assessment of damage.
While "too fast" can be decided by regulation, what is the definition of "too close" and "too much wake".
All would be necessary for a successful prosecution.
Tom