Can I ask how much warp or chain people found they needed up the outer hebs, the max?

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Can I ask how much warp or chain people found they needed up the outer hebs, the max? Someone recomended 50m. Any idea of what type is required? I have a 25ib cqr and a delta kedge anchor.The boat is a 31ft Moody 30. Where do you guys buy your rope from?
 
To quote from the CC pilot -

"...of the sizes recommended by the anchor manufacturers or independent reference books rather than those as supplied as standard by boat manufacturers which are often on the light size."

and "Chain rather than rope will prevent a yacht roving around in gusts and at least 60m of chain is recommended."

I have about 65m of chain. Anchoring depths are usually reasonable (say ~5m at LW) and tidal range (compared to the Channel Islands) around 4m (all give or take a bit).

I have 65m of chain and usually put out around 35-40m. The only occasion I have used all 65m was in Loch Scresort (Rum), which is open to the east, and the wind was veering and strengthening with a danger it would blow straight into the entrance. Not a nice night.

You might want to upgrade your anchor. 15Kg seems fine for a Moody 31. I won't advise the type (that is discussed ad nauseum on the forums) but the CQR is falling out of favour. The newer designs seem to be preferred by regulars in the area.

I have found generally good holding in mud or gritty sand. Canna is notorious for weed and it seems to be getting worse, but that is the exception. Nothing will hold there if you get a weedy patch.
 
I have 30m of 8mm chain on a 25lb CQR for a 26' boat weighing 4 tons. More might be nice, but as I only draw 1.3m I generally tuck into shallowish places anyway. I have a 100m of braided nylon as well, but have not yet used it for anchoring.
 
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I've got 40 mtrs of 8 mm chain ( can't be sure of the chain gauge but it's chunky) and another 30 mtrs warp attached to an oversize Spade for my 33 footer. My back up anchor is a Fortress onto a 50 mtr chain/ rope rode .
on my last boat( 41 ft) I has 50 mtrs chain ont o a 35 lbs CQR ( and the same again as back up, plus the Fortress )
The only issues I've had was failing to get the CQR to set in weed. The Spade is a little better, the Fortress seems to slice through the weed.
There isn't really any need to anchor in water deeper than 5 mtrs. Well, in my experience- there are so many options here and all of them are reasonably close to each other.
 
I have never used chain and warp together.

My armory consists of 100m of 10mm chain and a choice of a 45lb CQR and a Rocna 33, since I bought the Rocna I have never dragged.
Only dragged once with the CQR in 55knots in Loch Aline, probably caused by not having all my chain out.
And that is the crux IMHO, the more chain the better.
We have anchored all over the Hebrides from as far North to as far South, Orla is 44ft & 16T.

Go for chain ;)
 
How much warp do you need to get the equivalent weight to 50th of 8mm chain? The chain provides the holding in my book. We anchored in Loch Aline one evening and we're woken when a yacht on chain/rope bumped against us as she ranged around while all the other boats were sitting nicely to there chain. A pet hate since then. Luckily it was a calm night.
 
Boats drag their anchors on all chain too...

Btw we found 30m (chain) was mostly adequate but quite often left us a bit short. New boat has 40m which will cover eventualities.
 
JumbleDuck said:
I have 30m of 8mm chain on a 25lb CQR for a 26' boat weighing 4 tons. More might be nice, but as I only draw 1.3m I generally tuck into shallowish places anyway. I have a 100m of braided nylon as well, but have not yet used it for anchoring.
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Exactly what I had for all the years I cruised the West Coast except I used a Bruce. 27ft boat, 2.5 tonnes, 1.3m bilge keel. Never had a problem in the wildest conditions. Like Jumbleduck, I often used to go shallow, often in to approx 2 to 3 metres depth at LW.
 
I have 50 metres of chain attached to a 16kg Delta in my Bavaria 32. I also have another 50 metres of nylon warp which I have never used in explorations of many anchorages in the Inner and Outer Hebrides. You do have to choose your anchoring spot well, as you need to be at least 100 metres offshore to deter the midges. The boat came with a CQR copy but my anchoring confidence improved immensely when I changed to the Delta.
 
Tryweryn said:
Is using all chain better than using some chain and warp?
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As ever, it's a compromise. In light shifty winds a boat on all or mostly rope will be careering all over the anchorage, possibly colliding with boats that are far less mobile on all chain. In strong, steady winds there is a good argument that a short length of chain for wear resistance on the seabed, with majority rope, could be a better arrangement. The first problem can sometimes be solved by using an angel or chum (just a heavy weight lowered down the rope) but there can still be a tendency for the rope to tangle around the prop or keel. Most people use all chain for the sense of security it gives, with a rope snubber to absorb snatch loads. Owners of light boats who don't want to carry 50 - 60 metres of chain in a forward anchor locker will accept the problems of rope rodes for the improved sailing performance they offer.
 
If you intend to anchor in popular places in proximity to other yachts all-rope rodes are downright antisocial as are chain scopes much over 3. In empty anchorages you do as you wish but it is polite to warn any subsequent arrivals.
 
Er no... because if you are in a busy anchorage where everyone else is swinging to the tide or wind, and you are not swinging at all, then you are very likely to be making contact with other craft.
 
ok lol then I'm going for 60m 8mm chain. And 100m rope kedge only to be used when needed and im alone.:ambivalence: More to anchoring than the books say.
 
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