Buying help wanted

ooooooooooooooooh no, don't want that style of boat. Looking for something where the fanny magnet is on positive polarity! Not entirely true cos the wife is on this boat buying thing with me but we want something that looks impressive and not like a icelandic fishing trawler!

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scooby,

What about a Sports cuddy like this?
25' long, it has everything on it for stays..

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Definately a fanny magnet.. Don't you agree?

I know where you can get one, if you like it...

Cheers...

Alistair..



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Blue hulls are best!

Well you won't hear any more from me! Seawards are just about the best boat being made, but then I suppose if all you want is a babe magnet to be seen drinking your G & Ts on and not a proper boat then you need something like a Princess!

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tongue in.. no, not going to go there. But if your focus is fanny magnet (where IS the administartor) and looking impressive, reminds me of the guy with a ferrari on his drive (but no engine).

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Re: Blue hulls are best!

Well it grabbed Tutts anyway......./forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

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Where as. Looked what you bagged..../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Haydn
 
Re: Blue hulls are best!

Nah. crap that. It dont go..../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Haydn
 
Hi Sealine. Wonder where you had moved to. Might still see you about.

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Re: ar*e!

Ah. But then you have not got the optional Princess approved oil drum attatchment...
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Haydn
 
Trying to get this thread back to topic....

What is the best first boat? Although we would like soemthing to overnight in, do people out there think we would be better off buying something smaller first off, midful that whatever we buy will probably be wrong! Also, do we need to concentrate on Diesle if we go for something like an 18ft bowrider or is petrol ok. Im very concerned about residuals which is why Im looking for advice.


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I still think we need some more info, and in particular: where are you going to use the boat and for what? The Bayliner is great value and its, ahem, "questionable", reputation stems from build quality 10 or 15 years ago and isn't a fair reflection on the current range. I was tempted by one myself but in the end I opted to go for a second hand (but newish) Sea Ray 215. This was partly a question of aesthetics and personal vanity but also reflected the fact that I boat in the Solent, where nasty short, choppy seas can spring up. The Sea Ray (a) is built like a brick sh*thouse and (b) has a deep vee hull, which copes well with rough water. It also reflects the fact that I have young kids and want to be as sure as I can about their safety. That's not to say that the Bayliner is unsafe, but a lot of the high volume, competitively priced boats of this size are primarily built with use on the American Lakes, or the Florida Coast in mind. By and large, sea-keeping isn't such an issue in those cases.

So, it's horses for courses. As was previously mentioned, have a look in MBM, where they test almost all the 21ft Sports Cuddies available. Some of them are stunning value, including the Bayliner in my opinion.

You will hardly find any boats of this type with a diesel engine; they're almost invariably petrol. Given this, residuals aren't really an issue. If you're desparate for a diesel engined boat, you will probably have to go one size up, to the smaller models of Scandanavian builders like Aquador and Nimbus, to get a reasonable choice. This is what I would have bought in an ideal world, but it will put you up to the £50K price bracket, which is probably a world you don't want to visit yet!

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Think you will have great difficulty buying an 18ft diesel bowrider.

Dont think anyone here can pick out your ideal boat. Now you might have ideas of what your going to do with it. But these will all change when you get on the water. Or fail to becase of all the other commitments that you had quietly forgoten about.

First thing you have to remember is, In england it will probably rain, or wind and cold. So you need at least a cuddy and a cover that you can stand up inside. Toilet sink and cooker or SWMBO will soon start making the wrong type of waves. Now, your either going to like it, like it but hate the expence, or love it regardless. If this is the case. You will want something bigger, more sea worthy, more room, more comfort, able to cruise for weeks at a time. More manuverable and easier to drive and park. For this you need diesel 28ft plus, on shafts.

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Haydn
 
Bowriders are difficult to sell on, so don't buy one, unless you come across a s/h one unbelievably cheap and for some reason you particularly want a boat with no where to store any gear.

Diesel is less important if a boat is of the size that it generally lives on a trailer, and if you are not going to be keeping it for long, it will prob not be worth paying a premium for diesel.

IMHO, don't touch anything with twin petrols.

Worry more about the mechanicals, than the builder of the boat.

If it is petrol (inboard), make sure it's Mercruiser or Volvo. If diesel, then you can add a few more names to that list, but your unlikely to find a newish diesel sports boat/cruiser less than 30ft with anything else, ex perhaps Yanmar or Yamaha (both vg.).

After that, as long as you don't pay over the odds to buy it, you'll have a similar chance with any that you sell on. Boats are not like robot built cars, each one is a bit different, and although we all have our preferences, there's none that have a real public stigma attached to them that would make them depreciate far more or impossible to sell.

The picture changes a bit when your plus £100K etc. Then you will shift your Fairline/Sealine/Sunseeker/Princess much easier than most of the rest. But you'll likely have paid more for it in the first place.



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Ok, its cards on table time....

The master plan is to chuck in IT within 3 years and charter the boat with me/wife piloting it. However, as we stand here today, we have no qualifications and no knowledge so its a long uphill struggle from this point forward.

I am leaning towards not buying a boat fit for the above purpose first, rather to go for something smaller to gain knowledge and see what we need/want. If its moored its likely to be based in Brighton marina and obviously if trailered, then somewhere else.

We start out ICC Power boat L2 course next week and onwards from there....

Future chartering of the boat is likely to be in the Med but again, this is all conjecture at the moment.

Whatever we buy and however small, I would like something that could blast us down to the Solent from Brighton with 4 people on board.

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The first thing you should do is get yourself and your good lady booked on a Power Boat Level 2 course. This will get you out and about on a boat and the basics of handling - you will also get an idea of what you are looking for. It will aso tell you if this is for you without wasting a load of money.

Once you've done this and enjoyed it - start going round a few local dealers and try to get them to take you out on different size boats. Then you will be able to go ahead with your first purchase without too many mistakes. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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For a start. dump the master plan IMHO.


"Whatever we buy and however small, I would like something that could blast us down to the Solent from Brighton with 4 people on board."

To have any hope of achiving this goal on anything like a regular basis. You need 30 plus ft with twin diesels. Look at 75k plus. Much easier to learn on a bigger boat anyway.

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Haydn
 
OK - now we're getting somewhere.

You'll be looking at a minimum of 25ft from Brighton to Solent - can get choppy around Brighton and a 20ft will restrict you to Littlehapton or Newhaven - and no more than a Force 3-4. Was caught out in a F6 a number of weeks back and took 2 hours to get back from Littlehampton. Ideally a diesel as your fuel cost to Solent and back with petrol will be extortionate. Initally buy second hand - possibly a Princess Riviera (diesel) 26/28ft - Sunseeker Portofino 31 (twin diesel) - all around £30k-£40k.

Have a chat with Ian Watkins, he's the brokerage manager for Ancasta in Brighton - 01273 673232. If I remember correctly they had a Fairline 27/29 that the owner bought - scared his wife s..tless and wants out of it. Good price I think. But Ian will be able to help.

There's also a school down there and the instructors are quite happy to go out with you on your own boat.

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