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Buying boat with DSC VHF - Changing MMSI Details?
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MapisM
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Yes, i'm going to be exporting it from the UK to Ireland...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm going a bit o/t here, but wouldn't it have been simpler to keep her current UK flag?
Afaik, you shouldn't have any problem with that (even if you're not a UK citizen), as long as the boat is CE marked and registered in another CE Country.
Yes, i'm going to be exporting it from the UK to Ireland...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm going a bit o/t here, but wouldn't it have been simpler to keep her current UK flag?
Afaik, you shouldn't have any problem with that (even if you're not a UK citizen), as long as the boat is CE marked and registered in another CE Country.
Bilgediver
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New owner then applies afresh.
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Quite correct...........but when the new owner completes his paperwork he should finish up with the same OFFICIAL NUMBER
The same RADIO CALL SIGN
The same MMSI
These are cast in stone and relate to the vessel.
The new owner does have to apply for all the new licenses and registrations so he pays his dues to GB.. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Quite correct...........but when the new owner completes his paperwork he should finish up with the same OFFICIAL NUMBER
The same RADIO CALL SIGN
The same MMSI
These are cast in stone and relate to the vessel.
The new owner does have to apply for all the new licenses and registrations so he pays his dues to GB.. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Yes, i'm going to be exporting it from the UK to Ireland...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm going a bit o/t here, but wouldn't it have been simpler to keep her current UK flag?
Afaik, you shouldn't have any problem with that (even if you're not a UK citizen), as long as the boat is CE marked and registered in another CE Country.
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I think you are right. I think I could keep the same MMSI, call-sign, vessel name and just change the name of the owner/location
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Yes, i'm going to be exporting it from the UK to Ireland...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm going a bit o/t here, but wouldn't it have been simpler to keep her current UK flag?
Afaik, you shouldn't have any problem with that (even if you're not a UK citizen), as long as the boat is CE marked and registered in another CE Country.
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I think you are right. I think I could keep the same MMSI, call-sign, vessel name and just change the name of the owner/location
oceanfroggie
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Legal requirement to have an ROI Ships Radio Licence on an Irish Vessel issied by COMREG.
In ROI COMREG will issue you with a NEW MMSI number when you apply for your €100 life time "ships radio license" giving evidence of your operators certificate.
Being ROI it will begin with '250 *** ***'. By hook or by crook you will have to get this programmed into the set. After that the MMSI will remain with the set and boat as long as same remains in ROI.
Most VHF manufacturers allow this to be USER programmed into the VHF using setup menus only 2 or 3 times. After that the set needs to be DEALER reset or programmed. From memory ICOM has a 3 time limit so you might be OK.
PS: But nobody checks here anyway and I'd guess many vessels especially inland have neither ships licenses nor operators certs. Don't agree with status quo but that's the practical reality on the ground or should I say on the water.
In ROI COMREG will issue you with a NEW MMSI number when you apply for your €100 life time "ships radio license" giving evidence of your operators certificate.
Being ROI it will begin with '250 *** ***'. By hook or by crook you will have to get this programmed into the set. After that the MMSI will remain with the set and boat as long as same remains in ROI.
Most VHF manufacturers allow this to be USER programmed into the VHF using setup menus only 2 or 3 times. After that the set needs to be DEALER reset or programmed. From memory ICOM has a 3 time limit so you might be OK.
PS: But nobody checks here anyway and I'd guess many vessels especially inland have neither ships licenses nor operators certs. Don't agree with status quo but that's the practical reality on the ground or should I say on the water.
alt
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Thanks for the detailed info Froggie - I have asked the current owner how many times the MMSI has been programmed in - Hopefully only once!
DAKA
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. From memory ICOM has a 3 time limit
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My Icom bought within a year has 2 numbers only.
ie/ I change.
If the Icom was programed by a dealer then you dont get the second chance.
You would need to take it to a dealer, at which point I would just buy and fit a new identical model so the holes/fittings are the same, old vhf remains on board as a spare.
. From memory ICOM has a 3 time limit
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My Icom bought within a year has 2 numbers only.
ie/ I change.
If the Icom was programed by a dealer then you dont get the second chance.
You would need to take it to a dealer, at which point I would just buy and fit a new identical model so the holes/fittings are the same, old vhf remains on board as a spare.
alt
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. From memory ICOM has a 3 time limit
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My Icom bought within a year has 2 numbers only.
ie/ I change.
If the Icom was programed by a dealer then you dont get the second chance.
You would need to take it to a dealer, at which point I would just buy and fit a new identical model so the holes/fittings are the same, old vhf remains on board as a spare.
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I'm not going through that much hassle for an MMSI number. When I get teh boat i'm gonig to register it with the Dept. of Transport so I get my own Irish call-sign but I may just exclude the MMSI (ie. Keep the old one - I know it won't match on the ITU Database but so what)
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. From memory ICOM has a 3 time limit
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My Icom bought within a year has 2 numbers only.
ie/ I change.
If the Icom was programed by a dealer then you dont get the second chance.
You would need to take it to a dealer, at which point I would just buy and fit a new identical model so the holes/fittings are the same, old vhf remains on board as a spare.
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I'm not going through that much hassle for an MMSI number. When I get teh boat i'm gonig to register it with the Dept. of Transport so I get my own Irish call-sign but I may just exclude the MMSI (ie. Keep the old one - I know it won't match on the ITU Database but so what)
Bilgediver
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I think I apply to the Dept. of Transport for a new MMSI also
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Sorry I didn t pick up on the overseas purchase
You do need to re register the boat in Ireland as well as apply for a new call sign and MMSI number.
The danger of leaving the UK number in is that if you send a GMDSS emergency call there wll be some confusion with the wrong contact details on file in the UK
You should be able to get the radio reprogrammed if you cant do it as others have suggested and jobrooks is a good start.
Initially contact Irish MMO
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Sorry I didn t pick up on the overseas purchase
You do need to re register the boat in Ireland as well as apply for a new call sign and MMSI number.
The danger of leaving the UK number in is that if you send a GMDSS emergency call there wll be some confusion with the wrong contact details on file in the UK
You should be able to get the radio reprogrammed if you cant do it as others have suggested and jobrooks is a good start.
Initially contact Irish MMO
oceanfroggie
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Hi Niall, you should change the MMSI, it's easy to do, I've done it on Icom 503 and 401 before. COMREG will give you an MMSI no for a DSC set anyway and you have to supply the make, model and serial no to them in your app for a ships cert. The vessel does NOT need to be registered anywhere to operate in Irish waters but that will change in the next no of years with the proposed vessel registration schema (ie cat C1 and C2 for leisure craft).
Not changing the MMSI risks your own safety and wasting SAR resources in the event a DSC distress or urgency signal is sent, due them chasing incorrect contact details, it's vital to update the database. You'r techie it's easy! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Not changing the MMSI risks your own safety and wasting SAR resources in the event a DSC distress or urgency signal is sent, due them chasing incorrect contact details, it's vital to update the database. You'r techie it's easy! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Thanks OF, i'll wait until I get teh boat on the weekend and look into it further
Cheers
BTW.. Moi? Techie? Nahhhh /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Cheers
BTW.. Moi? Techie? Nahhhh /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif