But seriously though, folks, the fisherman's anchor

Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

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'scuse I, everybody, should I keep my Fishermanss or not?

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Oh you is the Bloddy troublemaker that started all this again! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Of course keep it and use it if it works for you /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.............if it don't work for you, use it as a garden ornament, or give to some Scottish gentleman /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

Of course you should keep it.

Oh, and congratulations for getting everyone banging on about anchors again. Pure style! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

What next?We haven't had a good row about fast track yachtmasters lately. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

Graham,

Yep they bite fast and hold fine in most UK seabeds. Whilst their holding power to weight is poor they are not likely to be tested to that degree and the boat doesn't rely on an anchor in worsening conditions - it goes home! Equally if it does let go suddenly (ball of clay job) it's not the end of the world - it does happen and, as you say the anglers aren't happy (and neither is the skipper!) All of which is consistent with the test results for the Claw types, and it's worst seabed conditions being seagrass or weed over hard sand not being UK problems either.

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The other salient point is that I cannot afford to spend money on new anchors

[/ QUOTE ] extremely valid and, when combined with what you currently have working for you, makes a compelling argument for your not making a change.
It has little to do with what, theoretically, would be a good solution for someone purchasing an anchor today (the works for you does but only when put in context ie your boat, area, anchor inc size and rode details etc
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

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smithy - [ QUOTE ]
The other salient point is that I cannot afford to spend money on new anchors

[/ QUOTE ] extremely valid and, when combined with what you currently have working for you, makes a compelling argument for your not making a change.
It has little to do with what, theoretically, would be a good solution for someone purchasing an anchor today (the works for you does but only when put in context ie your boat, area, anchor inc size and rode details etc

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Quite right. If you're happy that it does the job for you well, use it.

I've been doing some reserch into my boat and the past owners. Being interesting in anchoring systems I asked the question of the past owners. The boat is 32ft, 3000kg odd and a racer/racer/cruiser i.e. 2/3rds racing 1/3 cruising.

The last 3 rodes used over the last 15 years.
11kg plow to 10mt x 8mm chain to rope unknown but "probably, I think" 14/6mm and long.
11kg plow to 15mts x 10mm Australian chain to 30mts x 16mm Korean 3S nylon rope.
4.5kg Alloy Spade to 15mts x 7mm Italian chain to 50mts x 12mm German polyester 8 Braid (Octiplait for northern folk).

Both previous owners and the current one use what they used "beceause it works and felt safe". Yes the last one is used while racing and the anchor is upped to 10kg Rocna for extended cruising. The 2 previous owners used the same rode all the time, but then they don't have the supply advantage I have /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The 'feel good factor' is what it is all about assuming your not a tad braindead and do actually have a smidgen of common sense. You could have a 60lb anchor on 10mm chain on a 28fter (actually I think someone on this site does) and if it does not make you feel happy you will not sleep well. Obvously that set-up is rediculously big and probably counter productive as well, but if that is what it takes, so be it.

If your fishermans anchor makes you happy enough that you sleep well, go for it. If it does not and/or you don't use it, get it off the boat and find a good use for it. A Garden ormament is a popular choice both by this board and in the outside world.

If you don't know if you can trust it you just have to listen to all and take a punt on what or who makes the most sense to you. After that use it and see or walk in to the backyard.

Personally I'd be shifting a Rose or 2 but that is just because they don't let me sleep as well as most other designs do.
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

smithy - [ QUOTE ]
The other salient point is that I cannot afford to spend money on new anchors

[/ QUOTE ] extremely valid and, when combined with what you currently have working for you, makes a compelling argument for your not making a change.
It has little to do with what, theoretically, would be a good solution for someone purchasing an anchor today (the works for you does but only when put in context ie your boat, area, anchor inc size and rode details etc

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I don't think I have much of a problem with any of that, except to say, that if I was not satisfied with my anchor/anchors, and wanted to change, then I would firstly look around the boats in my area, and talk to people who use them. I would also try to ascertain where else they use them, if not in local waters.

If the information gleaned from that little exercise was satisfactory to me, then I would base my anchor choice on that information. I would be a lot more inclined to do it this way than to pay much attention to articles or tests in the yotty press.

Why? Simply because there is no substitute for experience. I also have what I regard as a healthy cynisism, regarding the yotty press and manufacturers of products various, they all have their own axes to grind, and you don't have to be a genious to understand that.

If for some reason the way of gathering the necessary information as described above was not available to me, I would be inclined to make a study of the charts / pilots relevant to my intended sailing, and see just what there was to stick me hook in. Then I would have a look around at what there was in the way of long established and trusted anchors, and whether or not they would be suitable.

Then, if nothing seemed to fit the bill, and only then, would I contemplate looking at more recent offerings.

All of the above is just my way of doing things, and I suppose I feel that after nearly 40 years of going to sea in small boats, my way of doing things has some validity? The following is said with me touching every bit of wood I can see in front of me (which makes it very difficult to tap these keys) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif In all those 40 years, I have never made a claim on insurance, I have never called on the RNLI, and I aint never got meself into a situation I couldn't get out of, (just lucky I guess?)................

Of course I realise that my way of doing things isn't the only way, and they may not be suited to some people, and that is fair enough, but I really resent (big time), designers or manufactures of whatever product, intimating that I am just a "Traditionalist" and that I don't know what I am talking about.

Hey! tell me something I don't know! I know I am a "Traditionalist", and in some ways I am a bloody dinosaur, but after 40 odd years, doesn't it occur to them that I might have just learned summat along the way? I also think that "Modern Yotties" would do well sometimes to look to the past, and see how our forefathers did things and why. As to "learned" dissertations about anchoring in a force 8 off a lee shore? Erm, what would you be doing there in the first place, not good seamanship is it? Sure there will always be folks that will get caught out, but a bit of forethought and an eye to the weather, can help to avoid these situations arising.

An old boy that I used to sail with many years ago, always used to drum into me that there is no substitute for sea room. I happen to think he's right, and if you have got sea room, you don't need to chuck the hook down do you?

Cor! I did enjoy that /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ok, bring it on......I is ready for yus!..........where's me cutlass, I had it about me a minute ago? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Well if anyone has a very large 3 part Fisherman (80 plus lbs) that they don't think will be of any use or is just cluttering up their boat/garage/garden/whatever then i could relieve them of the misery and remove it at minimal cost !
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

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I don't think I have much of a problem with any of that, except to say, that if I was not satisfied with my anchor/anchors, and wanted to change, then I would firstly look around the boats in my area, and talk to people who use them. I would also try to ascertain where else they use them, if not in local waters.

If the information gleaned from that little exercise was satisfactory to me, then I would base my anchor choice on that information. I would be a lot more inclined to do it this way than to pay much attention to articles or tests in the yotty press.

Why? Simply because there is no substitute for experience. I also have what I regard as a healthy cynisism, regarding the yotty press and manufacturers of products various, they all have their own axes to grind, and you don't have to be a genious to understand that.

If for some reason the way of gathering the necessary information as described above was not available to me, I would be inclined to make a study of the charts / pilots relevant to my intended sailing, and see just what there was to stick me hook in. Then I would have a look around at what there was in the way of long established and trusted anchors, and whether or not they would be suitable.

Then, if nothing seemed to fit the bill, and only then, would I contemplate looking at more recent offerings.

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I'd bring any new designs into the mix a bit earlier myself. Just because it's 'new' and a couple of people pop up a lot talking about them does not mean they are not worth serious consideration.

Just ignoring them until a last resort does seem a bit silly especially when we are talking about this on the new fandangled heavily promoted Interweb and not using the old tried and well known snail mail, if you catch my drift /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Pah! call that a repost! feeble that was! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif More seriously, we all have our own way of doing things, and mine don't necessarilly suit others. We all have to find our own way, and work out what suits us best.
 
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Pah! call that a repost! feeble that was! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif More seriously, we all have our own way of doing things, and mine don't necessarilly suit others. We all have to find our own way, and work out what suits us best.

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It was a tad longer but trimmed, hate to upset any traditionalists /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif but your spot on with that post. What does not suit you may suit me or the other way around.... errr something like that anyway /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

See we both think the same even though I'm guessing we shackle differing anchors on to our rodes.
 
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We probably do use different anchors (horses for courses and all that)...............though judging from your email address I would say that you are in our southern hemisphere? I would be interested to learn what you use and why? My guess is, and it's just that because I have no experience of sailing down yonder, that you have a lot of coral to contend with? What about tides (range and speed)?
 
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Yeap a good guess. In in the home of the next rugby World Cup Champs /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif We don't wear yellow and you can beat us at cricket... err, I think everyone can actually /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Not much corel here at all. In the very odd spot but not something to worry about. Sand, Mud, rocks and all the usual. Tides around the Hauraki Gulf (Auckland is on the Sth west cnr of it) and North East coast, where masses of boating takes place, are 3mt odd range ave and peaks at 3.6 spring. Good flow in the odd spot between Islands and the like, 3knts in Auckland harbour full flow, but generally not too much of an issue. Wind - afternoon sea breeze up to 20knts sometimes a tad more but it turns off on sunset usually, 2pm to 8pm ish. Otherwise it can be up or down, usually nice though. Plenty of nice places to go and hide if the weather goes bad.

The most common anchor seen would be a plough, most likely a Manson made one but there are many CQR's and a few knock-off (increasing). Lots of Deltas, Bruces and clones. Very very few flat anchors or picks. Lots of lite weight grapnels used by the Fishos when in rock. The biggest growth is easily Rocnas, Supremes, Spades. You see them eveywhere now where as 18 months ago they were there but hard to find.

I suppose it's because 2 of the 3 are made a few miles from me. The people I talk to who use one of them say they are fantastic. We have even witnessed, to the complete shock of many, our Navy Sail training craft swap from CQR to Rocna and our Dept of Conservations new boats go Spade. Most were very surprised their new anchors did not contain wood in them somewhere /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Both are a bit 1800's still. I also work in the mooring and anchoring game. No I don't make anchors, never have.

As I said above there is nothing wrong with an older style anchor, or any anchor at all, as long as you are happy with it.

Myself I have the luxury of picking what I like when I like or just about, which is nice. I have a Spade and a Rocna on my boat. I use the alloy Spade, 4.5kg, when racing (most of the time) and shoot off for the odd night or 2. Over Xmas I'm off for a couple of weeks and will use the Rocna 10kg. The extra weight could help setting in the odd spot but is just evil when racing /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I have nice matching rodes as well.

It works for me.
 
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I thinkk you will find that GMac has posted a lot of that info over the last couple of months (let alone going back further!).........and I don't think reposts are at issue here although at this risk of prolonging things whilst you find your cutlass I will get out my new rifle thingy. Couldn't find anyone with any great period of experience of it but I thought it looked worth a try /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Back to GMac - his great contribution to anchor threads recently has been 'balance/balance/balance' ie no point in a 10,000lb holding power anchor on a 4000lb rode attached to a cleat/post that will pull the boat apart at 2000lb.............and, linked to that ( /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif), quality in components. He also distributes anchors........but I will leave him to respond there.

I reitterate - what works for you, or others, is important but only in context. Without the context is could be downright dangerous where assumptions start creeping in.

Whilst I get as much enjoyment out of paper charts, and the challenges associated with coastal navigation (I haven't gone West of the Lizard and consider the channel 'coastal') I would personally view going to sea without a GPS as negligent as leaving without charts and a compass - but then again they have only been with us a short time so that's plainly as ridiculous as kevlar ropes, mylar sails or plastic hulls /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

at the end of the day - be safe and enjoy it
 
Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

All right! All right!

Here's what I've got, holding the garden shed down..... A 45lb CQR copy; an 18lb Danforth copy; a 65lb 'demountable' Belfast Fisherman.

I haven't shown the 2 x 100 ft buckets of chain, mainly 'cos they're too heavy to move at this time o' the morning.

What should I get rid of....?

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Re: But seriously though, folks, the fisherman\'s anchor

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All right! All right!

Here's what I've got, holding the garden shed down..... A 45lb CQR copy; an 18lb Danforth copy; a 65lb 'demountable' Belfast Fisherman.

I haven't shown the 2 x 100 ft buckets of chain, mainly 'cos they're too heavy to move at this time o' the morning.

What should I get rid of....?



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The stainless shackle.
 
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