Budget Boating

David Drakes

New Member
Joined
8 Sep 2009
Messages
1
Visit site
Getting back into boating, but needs to be on a tight budget! Boat needs to be able to take the ground on mud and capable of being trailed. So far looked at a Sailfish 18 and a very good example of a Manta 19. Has anyone any opinions on these for Coastal cruising, or any suggestions.
 
There are a lot of trailer sailers around, all would do coastal cruising. Lighter ones are obviously easier to handle on and off a trailer. Heavier ones are likely to stand up to a breeze better. Swings and roundabouts really. A chunky coachroof gives you more interior space, curved ones look nicer.

If I were looking for one, I would consider one that needed a bit of TLC if it meant I got a good condition trailer in the price. You may end up forking out twice if you buy one with a tatty trailer. You might even get a slightly bigger boat for your money too.
 
I think the best looking mini yacht is the Swift 18. It does most things you need and looks like a proper yacht.

Tim
 
Your Sailfish 18 is a nice little sailer but suffers from view forward when the jib is set so needs it to be furled,else view through the cabin forward windows. Swift 18 also a good choice,sails well. A Seal 22 or 26ft has lifting keel and 18" draft, keel up; good space inside and performance under sail,your budget will have to allow for an outboard engine for all of these, 9.9HP for the Seals, or 5HP for the Swift 18, and Sailfish 18. Some Swift 18's were stretched by adding another 2ft to the transom,but have no idea as to any increase in performance. Nice little boat.Older boats to consider might include a Leisure 17 bilge keel
and the Nimrod , and Skipper17.


ianat182
 
We had a Matilda 20 a while back and were very happy with her, good headroom, galley, seperate toilet and trailable.

Designed for performance in strong winds in Syndey Harbour.

Look at the owners website for all the tips on what to look out for, the centre board can be a problem.
 
I had a Valiant 18 which was a bit of a slug on the lake, but have a good reputation for coastal sailing. Bilge keel, slightly heavy, good sea boat and, usefully for you, getting on a bit now. You wouldn't pay more than £2K for a really good one with a decent trailer and outboard. for example

Weighs 800Kgs (probably1000Kgs with gear) trailer weighed 330Kgs, so well within capability of a decent sized saloon or small 4x4.
I sold this for less than £1500 including Honda outboard and trailer.

Antifoul01.jpg

The Swift was a boat I fancied but thought the cockpit a bit small. It'll be more money as well.
Prelude 19
Foxcub18
 
Your Sailfish 18 is a nice little sailer but suffers from view forward when the jib is set so needs it to be furled,else view through the cabin forward windows. Swift 18 also a good choice,sails well. A Seal 22 or 26ft has lifting keel and 18" draft, keel up; good space inside and performance under sail,your budget will have to allow for an outboard engine for all of these, 9.9HP for the Seals, or 5HP for the Swift 18, and Sailfish 18. Some Swift 18's were stretched by adding another 2ft to the transom,but have no idea as to any increase in performance. Nice little boat.Older boats to consider might include a Leisure 17 bilge keel
and the Nimrod , and Skipper17.


ianat182

Would have to agree about the Sailfish. Outstanding performance and great cockpit.

Downside, the high coachroof which drove me bananas as you could not see over it.
 
Sadler Seawych 19

If it's all down to cost you could do a lot worse than a Seawych. I paid £1500 with good Yamaha o/b and trailer. More than hold there own with similar boats in the club I belong to performance wise and is a good stable boat. F6 gets a bit hairy so three slab reefs a must. They seem to sell around £1000 for a good example, good active owners club to.
 
Getting back into boating, but needs to be on a tight budget! Boat needs to be able to take the ground on mud and capable of being trailed. So far looked at a Sailfish 18 and a very good example of a Manta 19. Has anyone any opinions on these for Coastal cruising, or any suggestions.

I have just today launched my Hunter 490 after a six-month restoration after eighteen years in a back garden. Titchy, gorgeous hull, sails like a witch (by reputation and now by experience) ... a grand should find a useable one, fifteen hundred a beauty.
 
Suggestions? Yes - there are loads of older but sound small boats around and the owners have problem giving them away. Go round the clubs, ask if they have any old and rarely lauched boats around that members might be interested in selling. I bet you'll have plenty of choice.
 
Have a poke around the cheap mooring areas near you, drying harbour corners, mud berths, old style boatyards etc. Look for stuff that is green with algae - it hasn't been used for years. Algae will come off with a pressure wash or just hot soapy water. If the hull is sound, rigging will not cost a fortune to replace, sails will wash if not overly stretched & you only need minimal kit.

Always have a good sniff just as you open the hatch on any neglected boat - your nose will tell you a lot. Sooner or later you will see something that catches your eye & you will know it is worth sorting it out & rescueing it.
 
I would second the Valiant 18 I had one for years and sailed a good few thousand miles in her along the east coast anywhere from Hartlepool to Lowestoft and been out in some **** conditions force 7's or more and she never let me down and always felt like a much bigger boat in a blow. the cockpit is quite large for the size of the boat although the accommodation is basic. I also trailered her a few times which seemed ok but the mast is quite heavy and needs 2 people of a noddy pole or such like rigging up.
 
I had a Manta 19 and think they are very good boats. There is an external cast keel with a centrepalte operating through it, so there is no intrusion in the cabin.

I trailed mine a number of times to the Clyde and Oban and it is like all small boats you need to be careful of the weather!

This is the site with all the info:

http://www.manta19.miwd.co.uk/
 
I trail sailed a First 18 to Windermere, the Clyde and the Broads. It was OK for 2 friends. It was a bit light to go to windward in a F5, the waves stopped it, off the wind it flew.

A bloke in the TSA had a Manta 19, it went well. Someone had a Teliga 21, that looked nice and went well to.

I don't like the look of the Sailfish 18, I prefer the Swift 18.

I would aim a bit bigger if I was to trail sail again, Jaguar 21 or 22, Etap 22i. Maybe not as big as a First 235 or Parker 23.
 
Yes, I would agree, the Sailfish 18 or Manta 19 are the best of all the boat mentioned on this thread. Both boats represent excellent value for money, are excellent sailing boats, and can be easily tucked away on your driveway dinghy fashion. On the sea I would opt for the Manta and on a lake I would opt for the Sailfish. Either way both boat have proven track records with no reported capsize incidents (over 35 years:)). Indeed, both boats will self right even with the keel up. The Sailfish in particular sails amazingly well:)

In my view the larger boats mentioned on this thread are not proper trailer-sailers. With practice, you should be able to day sail a true trailer-sailer. To sum up, a lot more expense/ownership hassle but no more sailing fun!

The Swift 18 was a disappointment for me :(. I once crewed a race on one in light but gusty conditions and was soundly beated by a Devon Yawl and a Sailfish. You are talking 2 to 3 times as much dosh for a less comfortable and slower boat:confused:. Still, it has a few good points though -- a part from being a safe and seaworth little 18 footer -- is that it looks a bit like an EBoat Offshore One design which is without doubt a fabulous boat.

Drascombes are way, way, way over priced for what they are! And worst still, the 21' cabin versions will capsize, roll inverted and are hard to recover if you're not fit and in your early twenties. Apart from general simplicity, a clever design feature is that you can beach them stern on and jump out not getting your feet wet;:rolleyes:)

As for the Sea Wych, this boat was designed primarily as a home-completion project for someone who couldn't stump up the cash for a Westerly Centaur. At birth it came out of its mould complete with bilge keels in one piece which unfortunately spoilt what was otherwise good hull shape. Splitting a 19' boats cabin into two halves and with cupboards and proper yacht features appeals to visceral Swallows and Amazons instincts but unfortunately makes it feel cramped when full of bodies on a rainy day! It's strangely pleasant looking and with a spray hood almost looks like the yacht we would have really liked.
 
Last edited:
I just bought a Seahawk17 last week. £800 on a trailer.
I haven't sailed it yet but was encouraged to get it by reading the Seahawk Website.
It has the same hull as the Pedro17 but in addition has a drop keel and a lower coachroof. Nice roomy cockpit.
I will be dropping it in the lake in the near future to find out if they sail as well as the fans say. I've already had a forumite say that his was BRILLIANT.

Seems to me there aren't many boats about at the moment. ebay has very few. This was on Boats and Outboards.

Seahawk_5.jpg
 
Yes, I would agree, the Sailfish 18 or Manta 19 are the best of all the boat mentioned on this thread. Both boats represent excellent value for money, are excellent sailing boats, and can be easily tucked away on your driveway dinghy fashion. On the sea I would opt for the Manta and on a lake I would opt for the Sailfish. Either way both boat have proven track records with no reported capsize incidents (over 35 years:)). Indeed, both boats will self right even with the keel up. The Sailfish in particular sails amazingly well:)

In my view the larger boats mentioned on this thread are not proper trailer-sailers. With practice, you should be abe to day sail a true trailer-sailer. To sum up, a lot more expense/ownership hassle but no more sailing fun!

The Swift 18 was a disappointment for me :(. I once crewed a race on one in light but gusty conditions and was soundly beated by a Devon Yawl and a Sailfish. You are talking 2 to 3 times as much dosh for a less comfortable and slower boat:confused:.

Drascombes are way, way, way over priced for what they are! And worst still, the 21' cabin versons will capsize, roll inverted and are impossible to recover if you're not fit and in your early twenties. Apart from general simplicity, the only clever design feature is that you can beach them stern on and jump out not getting your feet wet;:rolleyes:)

As for the Sea Wych, this boat was designed primarily to come out of a mould complete with bilge keels in one piece, but never to sail well. Ex Waywarer sailers won't be impressed with their move up to this boat. Splitting a 19' boats cabin into two halves and with cupboards and a layout to appeal the missus makes this boat very cramped when you add bodies on a rainy day! It's not the worst though, and with a spray hood almost looks like a proper yacht (which it certainly isn't).
Hmm. Must be nice to be so secure in ones knowledge, speaking personally I prefer to make sure of my facts before posting here. I am not sure how one defines 'proper' with reference to yachts. My personal definition is a sailing vessel used primarily for pleasure purposes. Still just goes to show my limited understanding of matters nautical. Having just got back from a wonderfull days sailing on the Blackwater, outsailing a few smaal cruisers and being soundly beaten by others, having cooked a fry-up and a cuppa on board, having tacked, gybed, reefed and NOT sunk, or even capsized, I for one would certainly regard my Seawych as a proper boat. At least I did 'till I read the post above. I stand corrected and will burn my boat at once and start looking around for a 'proper' boat.
 
Top