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Greg2

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Been all round the houses looking for our next boat and although we thought we were there last week with an offer accepted the survey threw up enough to make us walk away.

Thinking a Broom 41 might be an option. Anyone got any experience of these boats and any issues? I understand they are good sea boats and I am familiar with Broom quality but not the merits of this particular model.

Various engine options with the most popular appearing to be Perkins Sabre 300's. Any issues with these engines?

Thanks in advance.....

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I seem to remember reading a previous post saying that these engines should be avoided due to non-availability of parts, not sure if it was the marinisation bits or the engine parts themselves that were being referred to. I would try using the "search" facility on this forum to see if it sheds any more light.
Hopefully someone will be along to either confirm or deny this is the case.

Ref the Broom 41, I think its a cracking looking boat, very well built to the usual Broom standard.
 
Various engine options with the most popular appearing to be Perkins Sabre 300's. Any issues with these engines?


Do not think any parts problems....Think the Perkins Sabre 300 is the latest engine !
 
I have read a bit about these engines on an old post but it didn't say anything about the availability of parts. I'll try another search.

Probably not the current Perkins Sabre 300's -the boat I am looking at had the engines installed in 1998 and I think the current verso are common-rail
 
Greg2 said:
I have read a bit about these engines on an old post but it didn't say anything about the availability of parts. I'll try another search.

Probably not the current Perkins Sabre 300's -the boat I am looking at had the engines installed in 1998 and I think the current verso are common-rail
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Greg, you must have thought about buying every stele of boat out there by now, seriously for what you want a boat for , ie the broads and a bit of sea use a broom 41 would be great, but there no speed boat and heavy on the juice.

A mate had one with 306 volvos in and had to run it just off flat out wot to make it go properly, max was about 22 flat out and cruise at 1800 rpm, the sabre Perkins is actually 285hp on a good day, forget the 300hp it was gimmick like the kad 300 which is 285hp.

Engine is the phaser unit, old hat tech, over hearts very easily should a slight blockage occur or impeller malfuction, pop a head gasket, melt a piston off you getting the drill by now?.
 
volvopaul said:
Greg, you must have thought about buying every stele of boat out there by now, seriously for what you want a boat for , ie the broads and a bit of sea use a broom 41 would be great, but there no speed boat and heavy on the juice.

A mate had one with 306 volvos in and had to run it just off flat out wot to make it go properly, max was about 22 flat out and cruise at 1800 rpm, the sabre Perkins is actually 285hp on a good day, forget the 300hp it was gimmick like the kad 300 which is 285hp.

Engine is the phaser unit, old hat tech, over hearts very easily should a slight blockage occur or impeller malfuction, pop a head gasket, melt a piston off you getting the drill by now?.
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Thanks Paul.....your aren't selling them to me!!! Don't like the sound of melted pistons etc!! Someone said that one or two of these engines had dropped the oil pick up pipe....have you heard of this particular problem?

You are right about the variety of boats we have considered though.....not many left to go!:-)
 
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Greg2 said:
Thanks Paul.....your aren't selling them to me!!! Don't like the sound of melted pistons etc!! Someone said that one or two of these engines had dropped the oil pick up pipe....have you heard of this particular problem?

You are right about the variety of boats we have considered though.....not many left to go!:-)
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No not about oil pipe, just oil cooler leaking into fresh water block, overheating , fouled intercoolers, and nitty gritty old design from the p6 crank, to 6354 evolution .

Latestarter knows about design etc, not really something you would bother about now though.

Buy a mainstream boat with proper slow revving big block motors that will sell on easily, yes I know I've got one that won't sell, I said sell not give away! .
 
Seems to me a Dutch steel cruiser would fit your bill. Not to expensive, very roomy and most of them are single engine so one less worry. With the speed limits in the broads you have no need for powerful twin engines.
 
WouldbeSailor said:
Seems to me a Dutch steel cruiser would fit your bill. Not to expensive, very roomy and most of them are single engine so one less worry. With the speed limits in the broads you have no need for powerful twin engines.
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We have thought about a steel boat but we will be doing some sea crushing as well and would like to be able to make a bit of speed when we want to. Must admit the thought of only one engine to look after is attractive........
 
Greg2 said:
We have thought about a steel boat but we will be doing some sea crushing as well and would like to be able to make a bit of speed when we want to. Must admit the thought of only one engine to look after is attractive........
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By the sound of it you will spend most of your time on the Broads, if that is the case I would look for a boat that makes most sense for the Broads. A Dutch cruiser might be slow but it is very roomy and comfortable, why lug those engines around if they are only ever going to run at idle anyway? Never mind the fuel consumption. A Dutch cruiser will use less than 10 Liters p/h. They are suited for coastal waters should you want to go there but I don't think you will go very often, cruising around with a glass of wine that doesn't fall over has it's charms.:)
 
I had a Broom 37 a few years ago which was a forerunner of the 41. Same hull but the 41 had a more modern rounded styling plus integrated bathing platform. Mine had Sabre 275hp motors and was good for about 24-25kts. If the 300hp Sabres are indeed pushing out 300hp, then I would expect 26kts or so from a 41 with these engines with an easy cruise of 20kts. Yes, the 37/41 won't be particularly economical (expect around 1mpg) but thats because like all Brooms, they're built heavy. The hull is excellent and is a full medium/deep V planing hull albeit with a vestigial keel; that plus the heavy build makes them surefooted in a seaway although I found my 37 wandered a touch in a big following sea. They are a delight to handle at slow speed due to that keel and the low windage.
You already know that all aft cabin Brooms are very big inside so the 41 will feel bigger than the average 40ft flybridge boat. Yup, I'd probably go for a Volvo, Yanmar or Cat powered boat over the Sabres but I found Sabre parts to be relatively cheap. For northern European boating, I think the Broom type sheltered aft command position is ideal and I'd have one myself or something similar if I ever came back to the UK
 
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As a very content Broom owner, I agree with Deleted User.
I too had a Broom 37 (1991 variety) with Volvo 306hp units. Cruised all day at a very relaxed 08/20 knots with 25 knots readily available as required.
1 mpg was my experience too.
Not greatest at 5 knot river speeds but OK on one engine if no complex maneuvers required. Our current Broom Ocean 38 is better for the dual inland/sea role with a big keel that is just lower than the egg whisks. Handles superbly on one engine but still achieves 25 knots from 2 x Yanmar 250hp.
Performance in inclement conditions is first class. I know from experience!!
 
I used to work for Broom Boats as their delivery skipper and put to sea many times in various Broom 41's. As already has been said, a great sea boat, easily handled in close quarters (anybody who has had the pleasure of mooring at the Brundall yard will understand the phrase "close quarters"), plenty of living space as usual and the feel of quite a big boat.

Can't remember there being problems getting parts for the Sabres and from memory I think we cruised somewhere between 18-21 knots and pushing 24/26 flat out dependent on how dirty her bottom was. 1 mile per gallon is about right (interestingly it works out about that on a lot of the Broom range).

My only reservation would be extended use on inland rivers/broads etc, the 41 is quite a heavy lump, air draft although can be reduced by dropping the canopy etc isn't the lowest so that might restrict where you can cruise and you'll find yourself ticking along over 5kn if both engines are in gear.

All in all a great boat IMO.

Andy
 
Thanks guys, some useful stuff here.

I take the points about the size of the boat and speed on the rivers but whilst I like the Broom/Ocean 38 I am 6'5" and they feel a bit snug for me in terms of headroom and length of the main berth. SWMBO also love the spacious cockpit on the 41 whereas the 38 is a lot smaller, mainly because of the walk round deck.
 
volvopaul said:
No not about oil pipe, just oil cooler leaking into fresh water block, overheating , fouled intercoolers, and nitty gritty old design from the p6 crank, to 6354 evolution .

Latestarter knows about design etc, not really something you would bother about now though.

Buy a mainstream boat with proper slow revving big block motors that will sell on easily, yes I know I've got one that won't sell, I said sell not give away! .
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Spoke with marine engineering company in Poole who had purchased a pair of old stock Perkins Sabre 300's off the factory a while back. One motor suffered the fractured oil pick up pipe issue, the other had water ingress and bent a rod. Rods are real skinny and they had big problem getting banana shaped rod out of the jug. Getting access to chop the rod was a real nausiea!
 
Latestarter1 said:
Spoke with marine engineering company in Poole who had purchased a pair of old stock Perkins Sabre 300's off the factory a while back. One motor suffered the fractured oil pick up pipe issue, the other had water ingress and bent a rod. Rods are real skinny and they had big problem getting banana shaped rod out of the jug. Getting access to chop the rod was a real nausiea!
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That doesn't sound too good......are such problems common in your experience?
 
Greg - I would give Wayne a shout and ask how he is getting on with his - I know he has a slightly different hull to that one (I guess) you are looking at. If that is the one, it is substantially cheap enough to tuck the price difference away and keep it for a rainy day. Also I like the touches they have done to it, like blinds etc - alot of boat for the money... hope I am on the right track. Also would be good to know what the 'inherent problems' were on the one you had surveyed for a future file away!

SHame you missed the Broom 36 that was for sale up there - looked alot of boat for the money!
 
MY littlebirchwoo said:
Greg - I would give Wayne a shout and ask how he is getting on with his - I know he has a slightly different hull to that one (I guess) you are looking at. If that is the one, it is substantially cheap enough to tuck the price difference away and keep it for a rainy day. Also I like the touches they have done to it, like blinds etc - alot of boat for the money... hope I am on the right track. Also would be good to know what the 'inherent problems' were on the one you had surveyed for a future file away!

SHame you missed the Broom 36 that was for sale up there - looked alot of boat for the money!
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Had a chat with Wayne on Sunday and had a look over his 41. Hull is the same but the layout is diferent. Engines are the same Perkins 300's and overall a very nice boat and they seem to love it. He did mention the high speed going with the tide on tickover on the river as has been mentioned on here.

You are on the right track - the one we are looking at is lovely inside with some nice touches but given the age of the boat I am not convinced that it is a good price....but then I never am! :-)
 
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