brilliant solution needed please - how to get scale lumps out of holding tank?

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our boat has a stainless steel holding tank permanently plumbed into wc system - it has 3 connections - an inlet pipe from the wc , a breather pipe and an outlet pipe to the seacock - it does not have any deck pump out facility or access hatch and is a b to get to being high up inside a moulded heads locker.

over the years we have had our boat it has blocked perhaps 3 or 4 times (yuck) and has done so over past weeks on summer cruise - bit the bullet this weekend to tackle it and found blockage is caused by hard scale deposits that come to rest in outlet of tank and in conjuction with normal contents of a holding tank form a very effective plug preventing any waste from getting out via the outlet pipe/seacock,

managed to flush tank out this weekend (very yuck) leaving just these hard deposits which appear to be scale but some of the deposits are too big to come out through the holding tank outlet - ugh - with fingers I can feel the deposits at the top of the tank outlet pipe but cannot get a grip on them (is at end of my fingers reach having reached up the stub of stainless steel 1.5" pipe onto which the oulet flexible pipe fits) so my connundrum is how to get these out?

inevitably the tank is built into the boat and to remove it complete I suspect will be a major (and winter layup task) ,

my thoughts at the moment are :-

1. is there some sort of tool or gadget that I could use to reach up the outlet stub and grab - crush/break the deposits into small enough lumps that they can come out of the pipe? if so what ?

or

2. if I buy a length of flexible pipe and fit it to the stub and then bend it up so that it forms a u I could raise the end and then pour into it something (what?) to break down the scale lumps so that I could then lower the end into a bucket to empty the tank (bit concerned about pumping through the heads any aggressive chemical, any suggestions on what could be used to dissolve such deposits without damaging the stainless tank ?

or

3 last resort -have to either dismantle complete heads compartment to get tank out and then tackle it in relative comfort of home or did wonder if by removing backs of some lockers (grp moulded) I might be able to get access to the side of the tank and then cut and fit a waterproof access hatch so that either a solution could then be poured in through the hatch or a hand reached into (ugh again) grab and remove these scale lumps which seem to be settling on top of the outlet pipe - any thoughts on how difficult it might be to cut a hole in the side of a stainless tank in situ and what sort of waterproof hatch is viable to fit ?

or

4 any other ideas on how to solve this?


keen to tackle it asap as tank is now empty other than nice fresh seawater (definitely nothing ugh left in there)
 
Option 2 sounds the least invasive method. You could use boiler descaling fluid, brick cleaner, etc, all acid-based so need appropriate protection.
 
Dilute hydrochloric acid, which is all you can buy from normal outlets, will not harm the toilet or any component of it. Chlorides and stainless steel are not ideal partners but considering the length of time we are talking about (minutes) and the dilution (<10%) there will be minimal effect. HCl will tackle calcium scales quite effectively.
 
I'm not sure which descaler would work. If its a calcium type deposit, then an acid will dissolve it (I've just descaled my kettle with distilled vinegar - much cheaper than descaler). My experience with those awful bottle traps fitted under urinals is that the scale is actually acidic (uric acid?) so most descalers won't help, it has to be an alkali or just scrape it off.

What with the above and the possibility of eroding the welds in the tank, I'd be inclined to fit a hatch, but it's going to have to be fairly robust and with a good seal. At least that way, you can repeat the cleaning when needed. If access is sufficient, then you should be able to get a jigsaw to cut the hole.

Don't envy you the job!

Rob
 
thanks everyone for ideas so far - kicking myself for not having kept a sample of the scale and then could have experimented at home on samples especially given comment about uric acid v other scales - hopefully someone has beaten uric acid scale ???

introduction of a liquid or tables sounds much less yucky than the hand method
 
Pressure Washer

Had problems with our holding tank a while ago, we have a Karcher pressure washer with a flexible drain cleaner attachment, push this up the outlet seacock and run the pressure washer, the drain cleaner has three backward facing holes in the end fitting and will pull itself up into the tank with the water pressure, it should shatter the scale lumps and clean out any more scale on the tank, make sure you jiggle the pipe around to move it all around the tank. Oh and did I mention stand well back......

Once the tank is clean, make sure you pressure wash it out on a regular basis, we do ours thru the deck outlet so it is not quite so vile!!
 
Hydrochloric acid will shift it seconds!

We use it quite a bit to clear limey deposits in our tank and in the pipework leading to it. Not sure how available it is where you are, but its 0.80€ a litre in most Spanish, Italaian, Portuguese & Greek supermarkets.

In Spanish supermarkets you will find it labelled Agua Fuerte, if not, seek an Ironmonger. (Ferreteria).:D
 
Idea one: turn boat upside down and shake it...

Idea two: pour a couple of litres of coca cola into the tank, dissolves prety much everything!

Hope that helps :)

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I had to replace all the sanitation hose because of scale build-up, including the holding tank pipes. The main discharge valve remained solid and the handle refused to budge. Before resorting to an angle grinder I bought a litre of cheapo cola and poured it down a bit of old pipe on the valve.
It did an impersonation of Mt. Etna in a bad mood.
After a day's soak all the scale had gone and the valve was free.
And people drink the stuff!
 
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I had to replace all the sanitation hose because of scale build-up, including the holding tank pipes. The main discharge valve remained solid and the handle refused to budge. Before resorting to an angle grinder I bought a litre of cheapo cola and poured it down a bit of old pipe on the valve.
It did an impersonation of Mt. Etna in a bad mood.
After a day's soak all the scale had gone and the valve was free.
And people drink the stuff!

Dilute phosphoric acid has that effect; people will drink(and eat) the strangest things.
 
Pour white vinegar in to tank regularly to keep it at bay in future, Im going to try a comparison test on my boat cola versus vinegar, will let you all know the result
 
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