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I guess there's little point in continuing the discussion if you can't see the difference between the professionals and those with the intention to permanently deprive the owners of their goods (which is theft).

Can't say I'm surprised though - personal morality doesn't seem to be held in much regard these days.

Rick
 
Yes I totally agree, it may be technically legal but you cannot hide the fact it is theft.

The news pictures portray people looting just as in America after the hurricane. We seem to applaud this behavour as being akin to Robin Hood robbing the rich.

I`m having difficulty in accepting it is OK to break open and take someones property from a container on the beach but if it was at the top of the cliff on the motorway and the contairer had fallen from a lorry !!!

Having a problem trying to spot the difference.
 
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people on here handing out abuse to those less fortunate than themselves

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So presumably you wouldn't mind if some of these poor unfortunate thieves came round and stole the good yacht Cloona?
 
I thought it was made fairly clear when the Cita sank that it was against the law to break open and remove the contents from a sealed container. Even if it was on the beach.

Containers that are broken open naturally though are fair game. (For wannabe salvors, not thieves.)
 
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'Looters Are Despicable'
Updated: 14:06, Tuesday January 23, 2007
Authorities have accused people who plundered goods washed ashore from a stricken ship of damaging the environment and "crass greed".

Roadblocks were put in place barring all access to Branscombe Beach in Devon after more than 1,000 people descended on it to take property from the MSC Napoli.

Police said organised teams of looters had travelled hundreds of miles to plunder goods from the beach, and warned that anyone breaking the law by selling them on immediately would be prosecuted.

Acting Receiver of Wreck Mark Rodaway said their actions had increased the environmental impact by 800%.


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from sky news ...............

so does despicable suit your sensitivities

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"The scenes I witnessed on the beach last night were despicable," he said. "Personal belongings were being rifled through and strewn over the beach."

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and what does this look like to you ....... beachcombers ? or scum thieving other ppls property

dont tell me ................... you are a wrecker who thinks he/she is entitled to 'salvage' goods washed up on a beach /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
"So presumably you wouldn't mind if some of these poor unfortunate thieves came round and stole the good yacht Cloona? "

You know the point I am making is that some people have displayed some appalling social attitudes on this thread - and
really theres no way back from that.

I know nothing about the law but obviously a thief is a thief
and whether he is fortunate or unfortunate is not relevant.

Interesting how nobody is concerned about their right to walk along the beach just because some shipping company has trashed our coastline (and put seafarers lives at risk) with an unseaworthy vessel -

Do you want to revisit the appropriateness of terms like "sink estate scum" on this site - or shall we reflect on the owners and management of this ship and their responsibility for the mess.
 
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Interesting how nobody is concerned about their right to walk along the beach just because some shipping company has trashed our coastline (and put seafarers lives at risk) with an unseaworthy vessel -


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I would imagine if ppl ONLY wanted to walk along the beach, instead of creating a worse mess by broaching containers and strewing unwanted booty around ....... then there would be no real problem

trouble is these 'walkers' were not the innocents you portray

as for the owners culpability - a lot needs to be established before lynching them ..... though I tented to jump to similar conclusions when I saw the polyglot mix of the crew, and the revelation the vessel has a 'history' which is entirely consistent with causing massive metal fatigue problems in the hull.

is it little wonder it was abandoned in such haste - if you had the fore knowledge about the previous structural damage.

as for the name calling - a bit of rough and tumble when actually witnessing the openness of gross pillage of others property by ppl who should know better .......... is not uncommon. I think scum describes them quite accurately, though whether 'sink estate' is relevant is debatable /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
" or shall we reflect on the owners and management of this ship and their responsibility for the mess. "

Rather think that it was our own dear MCA, rather than the ship's operator, who put the Napoli on the Jurassic bricks off Branscombe.

Increasingly I feel it would have been better to have towed the damn thing in the other direction, letting it sink in as far offshore as possible.

But there's always an attitude that the heroic solution is the best one.
 
Listen to yourself

No one has claimed salvage on anything - the stuff is on the beach its wreck.

The scum have gone along - helped themselves to anything not nailed down
and left with no intention of reporting anything to anybody.

You know that and I know that

That is theft in any mans book - Why defend thieves? - One can but wonder.
 
Not in reply to any particular post, but...

Caught a bit of the press conference on the TV at midday, the police spokeslady said something along the lines, that they had no particular powers to arrest anyone, however they were working on it.

She went on to say that they (the various authorities) had accepted there would be a degree of 'salvage' carried out buy locals, as there has been for hundreds of years. The big problem arose as car loads of people arrived blocking the roads. This had not only turned the beach into the free for all now familiar, they were concerned that people had kids on the beach after dark and IF there had been an accident they would not have been a chance of getting emergency services through.

My own thoughts are that these people are pikeys! There should be no feeling sorry for these 'poor unfortunates' as suggested by one poster. If they can drive several hundred miles, pillage the containers on the beach of the high value goods, with not a bit of concern for the mess they leave behind, then sell the stuff on ebay, they are scavengers, not quaint rouges.

The way these people have behaved on the beach, particularly the rubbish people are happy to see being washed back out to sea is further evidence of the sad society we live in today, we should all be assamed. I wonder what the rest of the world are thinking as they see this on their TV screens?
 
Anyone rescuing goods from damage is helping. Leaving them in containers for the next tide to wash back into the ocean is really a bit stupid. Receivers recognise this and so do the Police, who are doing an excellent job as community Police officers and guarding the rights of 'salvors' and offering advice to keep people from breaking the law. They do not need advice or abuse from someone who does not have the facts. Read Butterworths Police Law. The 2004 Salvage Act and the MCA website info. If some of these people are not behaving correctly, they will be found out, some will get away with it, others won't. You are asking the Police to stamp on the rights of those who wish to attempt to salvage - no court will stand for that. This is because they would not want to dissuade people from aiding others or saving property at sea or onshore. I am sure there is a very buoyant air to the whole proceedings and jocular remarks about 'Whiskey Galore' and ooohh haarr Barrels will abound. It's called being happy. Get the form, get down there and lay your claim, that's doing something to help. Baying at the Police helps no-one and the post under yours is absolutely correct - rights can be further eroded by fools speaking without thought.
 
"Anyone rescuing goods from damage is helping."

If they are so public spirited then it's shameful that they are being so selective in what they salve, leaving behind salvable packaging, for example, to create ongoing marine pollution.

So if they can't be prosecuted for theft, how about doing them for littering?
 
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My own thoughts are that these people are pikeys!

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Pikey's. Sink Estate. Scum. Gipsies. New Age Travellers. Nomads. Jews.

Hitler is alive and well.

For shame on you all. You want the chimneys burning again.
 
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Theft - is the intention to permanently deprive someone else of their property.

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No it's not. Theft is dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it
 
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Theft - is the intention to permanently deprive someone else of their property.

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Which is exactly what those breaking into containers and helping themselves are doing. The fact that those goods are appearing on e-bay proves that the intention to deprive is exactly that.

The fact that anyone is prepared to defend such actions is derisable especially considering the littering. (oh yes, but mention litter and you get told to 'get out more' - such reasoned debate!)

Rick
 
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personal morality doesn't seem to be held in much regard these days.

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No it was better in the good old days wasn't it. Was that as far back as the wreckers some hundreds of years ago or somewhere in your mind. People haven't changed they have always been this way.
 
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