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More hassle and expense negotiating what's evidence and what's not with all the media companies than sending someone down their with a video camera, I would think.

But on the basis that prevention is better than cure, somewhere with a nice flourescent jacket with POLICE printed in big letters filming you as you carried away loot would probably have you leafing through your copy of the Merchant Shipping Act when you got home.
 
Re: Man made rubbish tip?

I did comment on that very thing when I chatted to some of the MCA guys and head firman on the beach.

I even asked about volunteering to help with the cleanup (being in between jobs right now). One agency suggested contacting the local council, another said that it was the insurers/salvors responsibility.... stating that today they intended fencing the beach off before starting work. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
I do not agree

It only takes one bobby to make an arrest.

Even if he only arrests one it would be a deterrent to the others

The sight of policemen and women stand watching thieves walking away with their loot is not good to watch.

I would go so far as to say that the police inaction explores the border of collusion.

In fact the whole attitude of those people interviewed is unsettling, a sense that stealing is acceptable if it is from somone who you don't know.

I await the police arresting those who advertised stolen property on E-Bay - clearly by doing this they demonstrated that hey had no intention of reporting to the ROW.

What the rest of the world will think of us is not comforting.
 
I do not agree

It only takes one bobby to make an arrest.

Even if he only arrests one it would be a deterrent to the others

The sight of policemen and women stand watching thieves walking away with their loot is not a pretty sight

I would go so far as to say that the police inaction explores the border of collusion.

In fact the whole attitude of those people interviewed is unsettling, a sense that stealing is acceptable if it is from somone who you don't know.

I await the police arresting those who advertised stolen property on E-Bay - clearly by doing this they demonstrated that hey had no intention of reporting to the ROW.

What the rest of the world will think of us is not comforting.
 
It aint stealing - its picking stuff up off a beach. Hell all my tables are made from the timber that came off the Cagima that went ashore off Cornwall. If the owner wants it back he can pay me my costs for recovering it.

Comment about insurance - I hope the cargo owners are appropriately insured, if not and if General Average is declared which I am guessing it probably has, then the cargo owners (who are engaged in that wonderful legal phrase "a common maritime adventure") then they will have to help foot the bill for all the salvage and work involved.

I agree its a downright shame about personal items in transit, but the rest of the commercial cargo - go for it - its lost to the companies already. I think its great to see wooden barrels being rolled away from a wreck off the Devon coast in the year 2007. If you dont - you're no islander !!!
 
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I agree its a downright shame about personal items in transit, but the rest of the commercial cargo - go for it - its lost to the companies already. I think its great to see wooden barrels being rolled away from a wreck off the Devon coast in the year 2007. If you dont - you're no islander !!!

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And what about the mess that has been created by all the theiving scum pikeys? that mess that beach is in is much worse than it would have been than if people hadnt been so greedy.
 
Thing is mate - these looters weren't picking it up off the beach - they were tearing open containers and plainly stealing what didn't belong to them. The grinning idiot interviewed by BBC news, mouthing, 'Spoils of war mate, spoils of war', walking away with armfuls of stolen property should be thoroughly ashamed - but I surely doubt he will.
 
Yes loved the barrels and you are right. It will cost the council a fortune to clear up.

In answer to statements from other crouton forumites: Police DO NOT turn a blind eye there is no reason for them to suppose these people are doing anything other than they are legally entitled. In the spirit of being a Police force they are handing out forms for reporting and warning people to to report. That is proper policing and endears the public to our much abused Police force see posts from those that accuse them of collusion, turning a blind eye etc. You are innocent until proven guilty
 
To be proved guilty you have to be put before a court. The police have a duty to do exactly that.

How can you possibly believe that breaking open containers with crowbars and pillaging the contents can be any other than illegal.

It was the polices duty to try to prevent this

For whatever reason they failed even to attempt to do that duty and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

All this "oooo Harr Barrels" crap is just ridiculous.

The looters were just that - criminals

Sink estate scum.
 
its an absolute outrage - how can an Englishmans right to walk along the seashore be taken away like this - another case of big brother going mental - a police state stopping people going where they want - is this legal ?

AND all those wonderful pictures of crowds enjoying a bit of salvage - just such a traditional islander thing, centuries old
scenes being seen again - Marvellous.

AND the abuse ("pikey scum" "sink estate scum") from the people on here absolutely disgraceful, shameful and really a terrible and appalling insight into the mentality of the sad paranoid losers who really don't know how to smile.

Read it through - you sound worse than Jade Goody on a bad day - what do you think gives you the right to talk about people like that - surely not money.

Have fun.
 
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Interesting attitude.
So if you put down your wallet - its mine if I pick it up before you do.

Good idea

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No - but if you dropped something over the side of your boat, I picked it up before you did - then its your right to ask for it to be redelivered to you, and its my right to request recompense based upon the value of the salved item, and the risk associated with its recovery. The court may decide that the risk associated with its recovery is nought and therefore you get it back for free. That still does not make me a thief. It makes me a rather useless salvor. Why the hell do you think the salvors beached the bloody thing - because if it went to the bottom then they would have got nothing back for their efforts. The issue of breaking into containers to retrieve is an interesting one, but probably semantics. You want your cargo returned - I claim salvage. Believe me - I've been there, done that, signed LoF, blown up a ship, and the ensuing legal wrangle went on for many years.

The man on the Clapham Omnibus is living large in this forum, and he's probably right - but with maritime law as it stands I'm hard pushed to call 'em thieves. Let alone the other bigoted references to 'sink estate scum' or pikies that is being banded around.....heads down..... incoming.....

Yours aye

JackIron
 
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but with maritime law as it stands I'm hard pushed to call 'em thieves

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The ones who don't intend to declare what they gathered to the Receiver (personally, I suspect that that's most of them) are guilty of the offence of Theft under S. 1 of the Theft Act 1968.

If people who commit theft are not thieves, then what are they?

The ones who intend to declare what they collected are not thieves.

The law is the same with the wallet scenario. If you pick it up in order to take it round to the police station then you're not a thief. If you pick it up intending to keep it for yourself, then you are.
 
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Why the hell do you think the salvors beached the bloody thing - because if it went to the bottom then they would have got nothing back for their efforts.

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I think there's a huge difference between an attempt to save the cargo and vessel, along with controlling pollution - and the acts carried out by those helping themselves to items off the beach. The folks being interviewed admitted that the items would be sold on Ebay.

No - these are not pious salvors assisting in the saving of goods - they are thieves, pure and simple. And they're making one god awful mess of the coast whilst doing so.

Rick
 
Look at the mess they left behind them, they cant be anything else other than pikeys - in one night, set up camp, trash the place and gone the next morning! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I suspect we would all feel that these people were looters if it was our boat washed up and being stripped of everything valuable.
I am at a loss to understand the pathetic response of the police to this situation.
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I feel exactly the same way about it, but as I understand it, the law says these people can take stuff away so long as they fill out the form for the Receiver of Wreck (delightful lady seen on TV yesterday) and are prepared to return the goods to owner if asked.
I don't know of a law that can stop the 'looting'. Perhaps the police could make everyone fill out the forms and insist on ID checks when they do it, but as others have said, there won't be the resources available to do it.
Actually the scenes on TV made me feel ashamed, but then I'm just a softy.
 
I wonder how many forms are going to be filled in? The police said that many of the peopl down there last night were professional gangs who had travelled for hours to get down there so maybe they where checking registration plates or something? I hope so.

Lyme Bay is the first place I saw a Dolphin in real life and the thought of them being under threat from all the rubbish the scavengers tore in to and threw all over the place makes me very cross and ashamed to be British.
 
"Look at the mess they left behind them, they cant be anything else other than pikeys - in one night, set up camp, trash the place and gone the next morning!"

I suspect you are a stuck up snotrag unaware of the privelege you enjoy and the completely unaware of the utter ignorance you display- but as with the other people on here
handing out abuse to those less fortunate than themselves I know that the only people it makes look bad is yourselves -

what a shameful set of attitudes are displayed on here - says an awful lot about the ignorance of certain people.

"sink estate scum" "pikey scum" - lets have some more and stop the hypocrisy about yachting for all etc.

Don't hold back now lets get it out in the open -

absolutely shameful.
 
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I think there's a huge difference between an attempt to save the cargo and vessel, along with controlling pollution - and the acts carried out by those helping themselves to items off the beach. The folks being interviewed admitted that the items would be sold on Ebay.


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I completely fail to see the difference - Smit et al are in it for the cash, no more no less - and a "pious salvor" my good God there are none of those out there. The salvage vultures will have been circling for hours, whilst the owners desperately tried to negotiate for tow - whilst the ship drifted the salvors will have sat back and simply demanded LoF. They are not there for the good of the coastline they are there for the good of their wallets (linked to how clean the coast remains I might add).

Motivations are the same - its just a matter of scale........
 
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