Andrew_Fanner
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And what about a "Launch" as it states on my EA license? When I told SWMBO that our boat becomes a "ship" when the tender is dangling from the davits she had a fit of the giggles.
Boaty vessel definitions!
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capt_courageous
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Hi
The Historic Ships Committee have designated a vessel below 40 tons and 40 feet in length as a boat. However, submarines and fishing vessels are always known as boats whatever their size.
This makes me sound very knowledgeable but I just looked it up on the National Maritime Museum site.
The Historic Ships Committee have designated a vessel below 40 tons and 40 feet in length as a boat. However, submarines and fishing vessels are always known as boats whatever their size.
This makes me sound very knowledgeable but I just looked it up on the National Maritime Museum site.
capt_courageous
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Definition of a boat
The Historic Ships Committee have designated a vessel below 40 tons and 40 feet in length as a boat. However, submarines and fishing vessels are always known as boats whatever their size.
Got it of the Nat. Mar. Museum website. Sent it twice since it did not seem to work first time
The Historic Ships Committee have designated a vessel below 40 tons and 40 feet in length as a boat. However, submarines and fishing vessels are always known as boats whatever their size.
Got it of the Nat. Mar. Museum website. Sent it twice since it did not seem to work first time
PhilipStapleton
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The Oxford English Dictionary doesn't help ....
SHIP: A large sea-going vessel (opposed to a boat); specifically (in modern times) a vessel having a bowsprit and three masts, each of which consists of a lower, top, and topgallant mast.
BOAT: A small open vessel in which to traverse the surface of water, usually propelled by oars, though sometimes by a sail .... extended (about 1500) to various vessels either smaller than, or in some way differing from, a ‘ship’; esp. small sailing vessels employed in fishing, or in carrying mails and packets, and small steamers. (Sometimes applied to large ocean steamers, though these are more properly ‘steam ships’.)
Both seem to be Old English in origin.
YACHT: A light fast-sailing ship, in early use esp. for the conveyance of royal or other important persons; later, a vessel, usually light and comparatively small, propelled by motive power other than oars, and used for pleasure excursions, cruising, etc., and now esp. one built and rigged for racing.
Dutch in origin
There is a reference to a "motor yacht" in 1905, but whether this is just a sailing vessel with a motor is not clear. Otherwise, neither the OED or Websters (American) offer a definition of a motor yacht. Perhaps it's a term used by motor-boaters with mast-envy.
The Royal Yachts go back to Charles 1st. Presumably in the 1800s there was one built with power and sails, and the name stuck when the next one was sail-less.
Also, think of the J-class boats etc in the heyday of Yachting - 1930's etc. If you'd just had a large gin palace built at enormous expense, wouldn't you want to associate with Lipton et al by referring to "My Yacht"
What a rich language we have!
SHIP: A large sea-going vessel (opposed to a boat); specifically (in modern times) a vessel having a bowsprit and three masts, each of which consists of a lower, top, and topgallant mast.
BOAT: A small open vessel in which to traverse the surface of water, usually propelled by oars, though sometimes by a sail .... extended (about 1500) to various vessels either smaller than, or in some way differing from, a ‘ship’; esp. small sailing vessels employed in fishing, or in carrying mails and packets, and small steamers. (Sometimes applied to large ocean steamers, though these are more properly ‘steam ships’.)
Both seem to be Old English in origin.
YACHT: A light fast-sailing ship, in early use esp. for the conveyance of royal or other important persons; later, a vessel, usually light and comparatively small, propelled by motive power other than oars, and used for pleasure excursions, cruising, etc., and now esp. one built and rigged for racing.
Dutch in origin
There is a reference to a "motor yacht" in 1905, but whether this is just a sailing vessel with a motor is not clear. Otherwise, neither the OED or Websters (American) offer a definition of a motor yacht. Perhaps it's a term used by motor-boaters with mast-envy.
The Royal Yachts go back to Charles 1st. Presumably in the 1800s there was one built with power and sails, and the name stuck when the next one was sail-less.
Also, think of the J-class boats etc in the heyday of Yachting - 1930's etc. If you'd just had a large gin palace built at enormous expense, wouldn't you want to associate with Lipton et al by referring to "My Yacht"
What a rich language we have!
john_morris_uk
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The answer - like lots of things in English - is that there is no definitive answer.
The Maritime Museum definition is their opinion.
English is an evolving language and (speaking personally) I like it that way.
(Or we could be like the French and have a committee to decide on what words we should use....?)
The Maritime Museum definition is their opinion.
English is an evolving language and (speaking personally) I like it that way.
(Or we could be like the French and have a committee to decide on what words we should use....?)
phatcat1
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Thanks chaps! thats made it clear to me!
At last we can now sleep easy in our bunks/hammocks/beds/cribs/cots etc etc etc
knowing that nobody else has a bl***y clue either!
At last we can now sleep easy in our bunks/hammocks/beds/cribs/cots etc etc etc
knowing that nobody else has a bl***y clue either!
john_morris_uk
Well-Known Member
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At last we can now sleep easy in our bunks/hammocks/beds/cribs/cots
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You forgot 'rack' 'scratcher' and 'pit' of were those covered under etc etc?
At last we can now sleep easy in our bunks/hammocks/beds/cribs/cots
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You forgot 'rack' 'scratcher' and 'pit' of were those covered under etc etc?