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Rocna only suggest 40kg because that is the correct size for your boat. The vast majority of anchors/chains fitted by motorboat builders are undersized and only suitable for day anchoring in light wind conditions. If you want an anchor suitable for overnight anchoring in marginal wind conditions then the original anchor fitted is not heavy enough and very likely, the builder didnt fit sufficient length of chain or the correct dia either

When I bought my F630, it was fitted with a 40kg Delta. Based on my previous bad experience with Deltas on weedy bottoms in the Med, I dumped that immediately and had SL fit a 60kg Delta. Ferretti had fitted 70m of 12mm chain which I thought was sufficient but I later had Sacirn increase that to 120m just to be on the safe side. Despite that, I had at least 3 dragging experiences in Sardinia, 2 around the Maddalenas and a 3rd instance where the anchor dragged about 50m overnight in Caletta on the other side of S Pietro. That last experience spooked me because I always take care to set the anchor properly if I'm anchoring overnight and put out about 5x scope of chain

Based on good reports here and elsewhere, I decided to change the 60kg Delta for a 55kg Rocna so, yes I was going to a theoretically smaller anchor. Because I was a little unsure about whether that was a wise idea, I had Sacirn construct a cradle in my spoiler compartment to store the 60kg Delta and thats where it still sits today. I have not regretted my decision at all. I have not experienced one dragging situation with the 55kg Rocna despite the fact that it is lighter than my previous 60kg Delta. My only conclusion can be that it is a superior design of anchor at least for W Med conditions
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I hope that conditions are benign on the day you need to haul your 60kg anchor out of storage :ambivalence:
 
Bouba said:
I hope that conditions are benign on the day you need to haul your 60kg anchor out of storage :ambivalence:
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With the amount of pumping iron I do in the gym it shouldnt be a problem to lift it out by hand. The fact that the anchor is stored in a position such that it can be lifted using the pasarelle winch is a mere coincidence:rolleyes:
 
MapisM said:
I'm also considering the replacement of my 25Kg Delta, but according to Rocna sizing chart I should go for the 40Kg.
Which got me thinking if it isn't just a matter of size/weight, because even if a 40Kg anchor is likely to fit the bow roller, I'd rather stick to something a bit smaller. I mean, after all the current 25Kg Delta is NOT total rubbish in my experience, as long as I don't skimp on chain.

Hence the key question: did you guys experience an improvement with Rocna vs. Delta at the same size/weight, regardless of what their sizing chart suggested?
If not (or not much), I'm not sure it's worth the hassle, for my typical usage.
Btw, in the Rocna sizing chart they also suggest an 11mm chain for the 40Kg anchor, and I've got 10mm.
And also this makes me wonder if their claims on better performance vs. Delta aren't just size-driven...
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I went up from an 18kg Delta to a 20kg Rocna. But if you think about it, the roll bar must weigh more than two kilos, so it’s probably about the same size..ish.
The Delta would drag in light winds! My boat is short and tall, practically a sail. So it catches the wind easily. When I first got it, during winter, I had no problems with dragging. But in summer, in our crowded anchorages, it’s not possible to put out all the chain in the world. But the Rocna holds on a short scope
 
Deleted User said:
Based on good reports here and elsewhere, I decided to change the 60kg Delta for a 55kg Rocna so, yes I was going to a theoretically smaller anchor. Because I was a little unsure about whether that was a wise idea, I had Sacirn construct a cradle in my spoiler compartment to store the 60kg Delta and thats where it still sits today. I have not regretted my decision at all. I have not experienced one dragging situation with the 55kg Rocna despite the fact that it is lighter than my previous 60kg Delta. My only conclusion can be that it is a superior design of anchor at least for W Med conditions
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Interesting.
So, it might be worth replacing my 25Kg Delta with a same weight Rocna, even if undersized according to their sizing chart.
Which makes sense considering, in their own words, that such chart is based on "50 knots of wind, associated surge, and poor holding bottoms" - which is silly.
I mean, yeah, I guess that when cruising Antarctica one might encounter situation where there's no other choice than stay anchored in such conditions, hoping that the anchor holds.
But in the Med, being catched in a situation like that and with no alternatives, when boating for pleasure, means poor seamanship, imho. :ambivalence:
 
Bouba said:
in summer, in our crowded anchorages, it’s not possible to put out all the chain in the world. But the Rocna holds on a short scope
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Good point. Not so much in crowded anchorages for me, since I tend to avoid them anyhow, but because in some of my favourite spots it's nice to drop the hook pretty close to the coast, and surrounded by some other rocks/islets nearby.
I do that only in benign conditions obviously, but a better holding power is definitely welcome, in such conditions.

PS: I appreciate that bringing stern line(s) ashore would be a better solution, in this scenario.
For those who aren't as lazy as I am, that is! :cool:
 
MapisM said:
Good point. Not so much in crowded anchorages for me, since I tend to avoid them anyhow, but because in some of my favourite spots it's nice to drop the hook pretty close to the coast, and surrounded by some other rocks/islets nearby.
I do that only in benign conditions obviously, but a better holding power is definitely welcome, in such conditions.

PS: I appreciate that bringing stern line(s) ashore would be a better solution, in this scenario.
For those who aren't as lazy as I am, that is! :cool:
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If money is not a concern, investigate Ultra anchors. They put on a very impressive display at Cannes, they showed me how the Ultra is more effective than a Rocna (but the Rocna was still very good) also they explained that a Rocna can only bury as deep as it’s roll bar, but the more you pull on a Ultra the more it digs in. In others words, as other anchors start to give up, Ultras are getting stronger. Also, in a change of wind (or tide), a Rocna will come out and then reset, but a Ultra will corkscrew into the ground getting deeper and deeper each turn of the tide.
The problem is that they are only made of stainless steel, so while they are price competitive with a stainless steel Rocna, a Rocna is available in galvanized steel, much cheaper. Even the stainless steel swivel that is recommended (and designed) by Ultra is €500:disgust:
 
I have never had any slipping with Delta anchors - 25kg on two Sq58s, and 50kg on two sq78s. I remember a night anchored off Ibiza in a howling gale when others slipped while my 50kg delta held fine. I never do 3x scope; more like 6x as I have written often on here.

I ended up bending the Delta on my current boat and now use a 60kg Ultra, with their brilliant swivel that does same job as Osculati banana but is smaller. The works perfectly, probably better than the Delta in a storm, and is a beautiful work of art.

On weather, Nice airport area was beautiful yesterday. I dropped into the Monaco Yacht show.

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jfm said:
I have never had any slipping with Delta anchors - 25kg on two Sq58s, and 50kg on two sq78s.
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Mmm... Being the Sq58 very similar to my DP, both in size and weight, maybe I might just delete the anchor replacement from my "nice to have" list, and just accept to live with a bit longer scope! :cool:

PS @ Bouba: money is always a concern! I'm in the category of moboers who WERE wealthy - before boating, that is...! :)
 
Nope. But if you look more carefully, you might see myself on duty, cleaning the deck of the Club Med ship.
I'm hoping to fetch in one month of work just enough for refueling my own tub... :rolleyes:
 
I never had a problem setting a Delta, my problem is that as soon as there is any wind it would start to plough because.....it’s a plough!
 
@bouba, I thought you’d comment on the plane more than the helo :D

@above three posts: I’m always amazed at these Delta comments. I don’t doubt you guys because you are super experienced and know your stuff. But I have never had a delta fail to set, or slip, even in howling winds. And there are millions in service. So I wonder why we have differing results. Maybe the delta is overly scope/chain sensitive - I always use plenty of chain, never 3-4x. Do you guys perhaps use less chain?
A Rocna would be fine too obviously and I accept that at the limit it seems to hold on longer than delta, aotbe, but it is among mankind’s ugliest creations. An Ultra is surely best because it is like a piece of jewellery and equals if not surpasses Rocna on holding. :D.
 
jfm said:
An Ultra is surely best because it is like a piece of jewellery and equals if not surpasses Rocna on holding. :D.
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Taking that as a recommendation I went and had a look at how much one would cost for my tiny 34 footer.
:disgust: HOW MUCH! Jewellery is a very accurate adjective.
 
BruceK said:
Taking that as a recommendation I went and had a look at how much one would cost for my tiny 34 footer.
:disgust: HOW MUCH! Jewellery is a very accurate adjective.
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Yup they're incredibly expensive and yes they look fantastic but buying the anchor is only the start of the expense because quite clearly, if youre going to buy an expensive stainless steel anchor and swivel, its going to look a bit shit attached to some crappy old galvanised chain so reckon on buying about 50-100m of stainless chain as well. And then youre going to need an AnCam as well so you can admire your beautiful stainless anchor, swivel and chain from the warmth of your saloon;)

Or you could just buy a cheapo Rocna and sleep just as well at night on your hook;)
 
jfm said:
I have never had any slipping with Delta anchors - 25kg on two Sq58s, and 50kg on two sq78s. I remember a night anchored off Ibiza in a howling gale when others slipped while my 50kg delta held fine. I never do 3x scope; more like 6x as I have written often on here.

I ended up bending the Delta on my current boat and now use a 60kg Ultra, with their brilliant swivel that does same job as Osculati banana but is smaller. The works perfectly, probably better than the Delta in a storm, and is a beautiful work of art.

On weather, Nice airport area was beautiful yesterday. I dropped into the Monaco Yacht show.

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Out of interest, what helicopter is that?
 
Top pic is a plane
Bottom is copter trans from NCE to Monaco or where ever.
Iirc depending on numbers circa €90> .
Handy when time short and bear in mind general congestion in the CdA , parking etc etc. Along with striking public services.
You takes your pic .
 
If you notice in the helicopter pic, you can see JFM’s euromillions lottery ticket. Can anyone make out the numbers:confused:
 
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