panthablue
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I'm raising investment for The Steersman through Seedrs. Check out our startup at http://seedrs.com/startups/the-steersman
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Madhatter
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would be more interesting if the product was explained in more detail - without having to join yet another website
Three kings
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would be more interesting if the product was explained in more detail - without having to join yet another website
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If the product is good enough just explain it. Having to 'join' your website means you get to inundate me with **** long after I have said I am no longer interested.
Then more **** from the 'selected partners' you sell the lists to.
sighmoon
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You have to join seedrs to invest, to show you accept the onerous terms. The terms are Seedr's not Mr Chicken's, but still...
The link in his footer explains the product. FWIW, I think it's genius, but can't be used motoring, or downwind, and (in my opinion) requiring too much tweaking, to be a substitute for an auto pilot or wind vane.
However, if there was a cheap version which didn't require any installation prior to use, I'd be interested (as a customer, not an investor).
The link in his footer explains the product. FWIW, I think it's genius, but can't be used motoring, or downwind, and (in my opinion) requiring too much tweaking, to be a substitute for an auto pilot or wind vane.
However, if there was a cheap version which didn't require any installation prior to use, I'd be interested (as a customer, not an investor).
RobinBirch
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I'm out
Three kings
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Fair enough. Just checked the steersman.net site and the product is explained in detail. It wouldn't be my cup of tea but fair dues to you for having the balls to innovate.
But I still hate those join first sites..................
But I still hate those join first sites..................
prv
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The invention has been knocking around for a few years. Basically you unbolt your winches, mount them on top of his bulky metal platforms, and fit the platforms where the winches were (don't know if they fit the same bolt holes though). The whole caboodle can then be set up with springs, bungees, and bits of stick to move a tiller based on the load in the jib sheet on the winch.
Can't say it appeals to me much compared to a traditional windvane.
Pete
Can't say it appeals to me much compared to a traditional windvane.
Pete
Wansworth
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looks akward having to go on the side deck to take stuff forwards.A vane gear can be protected with a nice s/s roll bar around it.
dylanwinter
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I think it looks great
I think it looks very good
fewer moving parts than a wind vane I would guess
less vulnerable to damage I would have thought
should work in almost any wind condition
it is all inside the cockpit - which has got to be a good thing
looks a bit expensive
and
Katie L has no winches
apart from that....
good on ya
incidentally
here is his video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGEwxEOQYIc
and here is the video youtube served up next - it is about a self steering system being used on drascombe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhgfnxApXUc
which appears to require two bits of plywood
I think it looks very good
fewer moving parts than a wind vane I would guess
less vulnerable to damage I would have thought
should work in almost any wind condition
it is all inside the cockpit - which has got to be a good thing
looks a bit expensive
and
Katie L has no winches
apart from that....
good on ya
incidentally
here is his video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGEwxEOQYIc
and here is the video youtube served up next - it is about a self steering system being used on drascombe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhgfnxApXUc
which appears to require two bits of plywood
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HunterWanderer
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Hope it can retail for less than £235 ( wholesale price of around £150 )
http://www.sailsmarine.com/ItemDetail.aspx?c=145475&l=g&cc=GB#.UM-Kum_tSJo
and sail to a set magnetic course.
http://www.sailsmarine.com/ItemDetail.aspx?c=145475&l=g&cc=GB#.UM-Kum_tSJo
and sail to a set magnetic course.
Phoenix of Hamble
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not a good comparison.... as it gets windy, a tillerpilot will give up.... a fairer comparion is a wind vane, and they're generally several grand. OK, so it wont sail to a magnetic course, but really?... is that a big deal?
I quite like the idea... simple and keeps the transom clear.
nimbusgb
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Think the details to this device were posted here as much as a couple of years ago. hhmmm Oct 22 2011
I got a quote on a set for my boat and was surprised to find that it had been pitched at a market value price ie: just less than a windvane. May even have the email from the fella somewhere .......
Ahh yes -- from my linked in contact with the developer
My decision was that I'd prefer a proven windvane system for that kind of money even if it was one of the kit builds ( The Holland kit comes in at €1200 ) or a second hand unit.
I got a quote on a set for my boat and was surprised to find that it had been pitched at a market value price ie: just less than a windvane. May even have the email from the fella somewhere .......
Ahh yes -- from my linked in contact with the developer
My decision was that I'd prefer a proven windvane system for that kind of money even if it was one of the kit builds ( The Holland kit comes in at €1200 ) or a second hand unit.
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HunterWanderer
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Mostly sailing a magnetic course is what I do. Having the course changing with the wind direction is very unpredictable but having the sails luffing or oversheeted is a better option in busy waters in my opinion. The unit requires adjustment of bungy cords to achieve the constant course but what happens when the wind strength changes?
Not being able to use it when motoring is a real disadvantage. I usually motor into the wind when setting sails etc.
Autopilots work at least up to F6 and when running downwind. And if you spec the unit higher will work anywhere. None of the Vendee Globe yachts are using windvane steering. They are all using autopilots.
Is it really any different to just setting up the balance of the boat to sail a constant apparent wind heading with the rudder locked?
I cant see how this unit would have a commercial market unless its cheap.
Not being able to use it when motoring is a real disadvantage. I usually motor into the wind when setting sails etc.
Autopilots work at least up to F6 and when running downwind. And if you spec the unit higher will work anywhere. None of the Vendee Globe yachts are using windvane steering. They are all using autopilots.
Is it really any different to just setting up the balance of the boat to sail a constant apparent wind heading with the rudder locked?
I cant see how this unit would have a commercial market unless its cheap.
Phoenix of Hamble
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The Vendee boats have pretty darned expensive auto pilots, and all carry spares because they're unreliable.
In reality, you wouldn't use something like this in crowded waters, any more than you would a windvane unless you were on watch... it, i'd guess, would fulfill the same role as a windvane... passage making, where making the right angle to the wind is a reasonable option.
However, agree... it needs to be quite a lot less than a windvane to have a market...
In reality, you wouldn't use something like this in crowded waters, any more than you would a windvane unless you were on watch... it, i'd guess, would fulfill the same role as a windvane... passage making, where making the right angle to the wind is a reasonable option.
However, agree... it needs to be quite a lot less than a windvane to have a market...
nickd
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Probably a lot of arguments for and against, but for me the overiding one is that it is pig ugly and pemanently fixed to the boat and for that reason I'm out.
nimbusgb
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As you say, the side decks are small enough as it is and the setup looks like it will provide some entertainment to feet and toes of crew going forward.
bitbaltic
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Took a quick look
Seems only suitable for boats of a size where it's competing with tiller autopilots?
For people who go blue water in smallish boats who knows; but it looks damn ugly, seems expensive, and frankly I ain't unbolting my primary winches for anything...
I reckon the market is limited
Seems only suitable for boats of a size where it's competing with tiller autopilots?
For people who go blue water in smallish boats who knows; but it looks damn ugly, seems expensive, and frankly I ain't unbolting my primary winches for anything...
I reckon the market is limited