Seajet
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I expect Sea Jet will be along shortly .
Here I am, never want to disappoint !
You could probably get an Anderson 22 within your budget - see the website below.
Feel free to PM me for details -
Andy
Boating on a budget - The Boat
- Thread starter Yellow Ballad
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Here I am, never want to disappoint !
You could probably get an Anderson 22 within your budget - see the website below.
Feel free to PM me for details -
Andy
doug748
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Here you go. I am sure a modest, un silly, offer would secure it:
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/s...nk=/search?keyword=anderson+22§ionId=2174
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/s...nk=/search?keyword=anderson+22§ionId=2174
Tam Lin
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The Anderson 22 sails well. I had one for a while and liked it.
langstonelayabout
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And based upon my experience I'd suggest either an E-Boat or an Anderson 22.
E-Boat is fast, beamy and roomy. You'll love sailing this dinghy with a lid and it'll do everything you want it to. I'd suggest you swap the lifting keel wire for Dyneema to reduce maintenance.
Anderson 22 is well made, chunky and an excellent sea boat. If I didn't already have a boat I might be tempted by that one on Preloved. Bigger? There's a lovely Anderson 26 at my boatyard although I think you'd have to be very generous with your offer. Lovely boat.
E-Boat is fast, beamy and roomy. You'll love sailing this dinghy with a lid and it'll do everything you want it to. I'd suggest you swap the lifting keel wire for Dyneema to reduce maintenance.
Anderson 22 is well made, chunky and an excellent sea boat. If I didn't already have a boat I might be tempted by that one on Preloved. Bigger? There's a lovely Anderson 26 at my boatyard although I think you'd have to be very generous with your offer. Lovely boat.
Seajet
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I know that ' preloved ' boat - but not the owner - she has thankfully been well restored since I saw her years ago and seems gleaming now.
In case it's useful for transport purposes the actual beam is 7'7" not the 7' quoted; draft is officially 2' to 4'6" but I'd allow a few inches more for cruising load - for the same reason I'd rate the displacement at more like 3,000+ lbs.
Anyone interested should read the ' Buyers Guide ' on the website in my sig below but AFAIK a good solid boat.
In case it's useful for transport purposes the actual beam is 7'7" not the 7' quoted; draft is officially 2' to 4'6" but I'd allow a few inches more for cruising load - for the same reason I'd rate the displacement at more like 3,000+ lbs.
Anyone interested should read the ' Buyers Guide ' on the website in my sig below but AFAIK a good solid boat.
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Yellow Ballad
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I should have made it a little clearer I didn't really post as a what boat for me, I thought I had made my mind up, I posted it to make further discussion and go off at a tangent to Dylan's "Budget" thread.
Or so I thought.... In my mind, even though I would be "boating on a budget" as I'm not rolling in it, I had my eyes set on splurging my life savings on an Albin Ballad. I had wanted a Folkboat in the past but I really can't be with the maintenance of a wooden boat, I would have limited time sailing let alone working on it too much. I looked at GRP versions but I would still need to pay for a deep mooring so, they are small for their length and they're just not as nice as a "proper" Folkboat.
I had then thought whilst scrimping and saving towards the Ballad that I would get a cheaper boat to get out sailing and keep in on the mud and fell in love with the Corribee, Folkboat looks but in GRP and bilge keels. Yes small inside but so are the Folkboats and we're a young family and it'll be no worse then camping in a 3 man tent we currently have. But someone suggested in this thread the Achilles 24, it isn't a bad looking boat really similar to the Corribee and bigger, so hopefully a bit more comfortable.
Form is as important to me as function, I really don't like the upturned "bathtub" cabins of some of the older boats (if you know what I mean) and prefer the classic lines (Folkboat/Corribee) and the IOR style yachts, but the Achilles seems to slot between the two nice looks, good performance and it'll dry out. I really believe that the Ballad is the perfect boat for us and our needs, looks, safety, performance, size, one day I'll own one! But, for 1/5 a price buying an Achilles 24 (the only real boat out of the suggestions that I like the look of the most) would mean we can buy, moor, maintain, upgrade the boat and still have some money left in the bank.
So thank you, you may have saved me a few pennies and got us sailing a bit faster.
Or so I thought.... In my mind, even though I would be "boating on a budget" as I'm not rolling in it, I had my eyes set on splurging my life savings on an Albin Ballad. I had wanted a Folkboat in the past but I really can't be with the maintenance of a wooden boat, I would have limited time sailing let alone working on it too much. I looked at GRP versions but I would still need to pay for a deep mooring so, they are small for their length and they're just not as nice as a "proper" Folkboat.
I had then thought whilst scrimping and saving towards the Ballad that I would get a cheaper boat to get out sailing and keep in on the mud and fell in love with the Corribee, Folkboat looks but in GRP and bilge keels. Yes small inside but so are the Folkboats and we're a young family and it'll be no worse then camping in a 3 man tent we currently have. But someone suggested in this thread the Achilles 24, it isn't a bad looking boat really similar to the Corribee and bigger, so hopefully a bit more comfortable.
Form is as important to me as function, I really don't like the upturned "bathtub" cabins of some of the older boats (if you know what I mean) and prefer the classic lines (Folkboat/Corribee) and the IOR style yachts, but the Achilles seems to slot between the two nice looks, good performance and it'll dry out. I really believe that the Ballad is the perfect boat for us and our needs, looks, safety, performance, size, one day I'll own one! But, for 1/5 a price buying an Achilles 24 (the only real boat out of the suggestions that I like the look of the most) would mean we can buy, moor, maintain, upgrade the boat and still have some money left in the bank.
So thank you, you may have saved me a few pennies and got us sailing a bit faster.
LittleSister
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If budget boating is the aim, avoid getting hung up on finding a particular model. Proximity and condition are more important. Make your choice out of the nearby boats in good order. Note also that boats are coming up for sale all the time, so you don't have to buy from what's available now unless you are in a hurry (usually not a good thing for the budget).
Mooring and storage costs are often (in southern Britain, at least) the main costs with a small boat (rather than the boat itself) and they come round every year. So finding a cheap moorings and storage in the desired location (not forgetting the travel costs to and fro from where you live), and a boat that will suit those moorings and storage arrangements is very important in keeping down costs.
A trailer can be a way of keeping down storage costs, but the trailer will itself cost, and unless in good order it can be an expensive liability. It can also add to storage fees if you can't keep the trailer and boat at home out of season, or don't have a car big (and costly) enough to tow it.
I have had enormous fun in small boats (and I know a couple who lived on a Vivacity 21 for three years, towards the end with their new-born baby), but I think you are underestimating how cramped a small boat can feel. A tent doesn't jump around, and you can step outside it any time you like!
You might save 4/5ths of the purchase price (but not the other costs), but consider you also might find you've spent 1/5th of the 'cost on a boat that convinces you you really did want a Ballad! (How do I know that?
) You can only find out by trying.
The Achilles 24 is a nice looking boat, but rather cramped for its length. Until you have a boat, there is a tendency to prioritise looks, as there's not much else to really go on. I bet that once you have a boat, other issues - space, family friendly, etc. - will start to become more important to you. Again, you will only find out by trying.
Of course, the perfect boat would be a Samphire 23!
Happy sailing whatever you get.:encouragement:
Mooring and storage costs are often (in southern Britain, at least) the main costs with a small boat (rather than the boat itself) and they come round every year. So finding a cheap moorings and storage in the desired location (not forgetting the travel costs to and fro from where you live), and a boat that will suit those moorings and storage arrangements is very important in keeping down costs.
A trailer can be a way of keeping down storage costs, but the trailer will itself cost, and unless in good order it can be an expensive liability. It can also add to storage fees if you can't keep the trailer and boat at home out of season, or don't have a car big (and costly) enough to tow it.
I have had enormous fun in small boats (and I know a couple who lived on a Vivacity 21 for three years, towards the end with their new-born baby), but I think you are underestimating how cramped a small boat can feel. A tent doesn't jump around, and you can step outside it any time you like!
You might save 4/5ths of the purchase price (but not the other costs), but consider you also might find you've spent 1/5th of the 'cost on a boat that convinces you you really did want a Ballad! (How do I know that?
) You can only find out by trying. The Achilles 24 is a nice looking boat, but rather cramped for its length. Until you have a boat, there is a tendency to prioritise looks, as there's not much else to really go on. I bet that once you have a boat, other issues - space, family friendly, etc. - will start to become more important to you. Again, you will only find out by trying.
Of course, the perfect boat would be a Samphire 23!
Happy sailing whatever you get.:encouragement:
Seajet
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The Achilles 24 is incredibly cramped inside, a chum had one - it was a choice of stowing the inflatable or him, but never both at the same time !
The Elizabethan 23 is a very pretty boat - still tiny inside - and unlike the Achilles' triple keel option for drying out can come with a shallow long keel with pivotted centreboard - to really ' boat on a budget ' you'll need a half tide, soft mud mooring.
If deep keels are OK - beware deep water moorings are very often out in remote, rough water locations requiring a serious tender like a young lifeboat - consider the Wing 25, maybe Hustler 25, GK 24, Ecume de Mer, Varne Folkboat ( grp but doesn't sail like a proper Folkboat ) - but all will need a good inspection or survey, remember all keelboats will have been run hard aground at some stage.
The Elizabethan 23 is a very pretty boat - still tiny inside - and unlike the Achilles' triple keel option for drying out can come with a shallow long keel with pivotted centreboard - to really ' boat on a budget ' you'll need a half tide, soft mud mooring.
If deep keels are OK - beware deep water moorings are very often out in remote, rough water locations requiring a serious tender like a young lifeboat - consider the Wing 25, maybe Hustler 25, GK 24, Ecume de Mer, Varne Folkboat ( grp but doesn't sail like a proper Folkboat ) - but all will need a good inspection or survey, remember all keelboats will have been run hard aground at some stage.
paul-essex
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Westerly 25. I have just sold mine and it was well built and had nice lines
ex-Gladys
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My old A26 got butchered on the South Coast (welded the keel down) and was last seen for sale at £8k a couple of years ago...
Kelpie
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Bit of a generalisation. My mooring is a hundred yards from the shore and I never have less than 6m under my keel. Cost £80/pa. Demonstrates why the best budget boat has to be tied to the location available.
Capt. Clueless
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Snapdragon.
Topcat47
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Gallions are quite amazing boats. Full standing headroom for a 6 footer, a lovely comfortable wee boat for two or 2 and 2 halves at a push (IMO). I was looking at one with an inboard engine (Petter mini twin) when Snark came up. Not a bilge keeler, of course, but it didn't draw a lot either and it sailed well. I also considered a Van de Stadt 22 but I can't remember the precise design. it was available as a fin or bilge keeler. Should be even cheaper now, it was around £3k then.
Seajet
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I know the A26 you mean, sorry to hear she was once yours; I couldn't see the point either as fixing a lift keel down is destroying the main useful selling point !
A retired chum is refitting a ' barn find ' A26; he's an absolute perfectionist and spending years and a mint of money on her, I keep telling him to launch as he's just making a wonderful boat for the next owner...
ghostlymoron
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I know someone like that - its sad to witness.
thesaintlyone
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I'm selling a 21ft Jouster that fits your budget recently refurbished and nnice conditioncon with reliable 8hp johnson long shaft outboard fin keel and a great little boat selling to upsoze.
Regards
Regards
Mctavish
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Downside of (generally wonderful) Achilles 24, even single-handing, is genuine, creeping sensation of claustrophobia in cabin. Can make it hard to sleep (have occasional sensation of being buried alive, in coffin). So, fun. Other way to look at it; er, everything is so conveniently spaced from your seat.
Seajet
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From my recent experience of a Trident 24 - triple keel in this case, ie shallow central ballast keel and substantial ( compared to Hunter 19 / Europas ) and still relativeley low drag ( compared to MacWesters, Snapdragons, Newbridge boats ) bilge keels.
I have a shock announcement to make; for anyone over 55/60, I reckon the Trident 24 is a better boat to have than an Anderson 22.
The A22 is one's MGBGT, while the Trident struck me as a very good late Landrover / early Defender.
Certain proviso's thouugh; the inboard diesel engine will forever be an expense to worry about, while the A22 has an outboard well one can plonk what one likes in - needs to be light to get in and out of the well though - but the huge advantage is an engine change means two trips in the tender rather than a really serious headache and invoice of what - £5,000 + ?
Still I am very impressed with the Trident 24, it won't go anywhere near as fast as an Anderson, and one would have to sort out the main and foresail sheet leads let alone forseails to cope with heavy weather, but as I'm getting older I am seriously impressed...
For anyone from 10 - 55 the Anderson 22 remains the boat to beat in her class...
I have a shock announcement to make; for anyone over 55/60, I reckon the Trident 24 is a better boat to have than an Anderson 22.
The A22 is one's MGBGT, while the Trident struck me as a very good late Landrover / early Defender.
Certain proviso's thouugh; the inboard diesel engine will forever be an expense to worry about, while the A22 has an outboard well one can plonk what one likes in - needs to be light to get in and out of the well though - but the huge advantage is an engine change means two trips in the tender rather than a really serious headache and invoice of what - £5,000 + ?
Still I am very impressed with the Trident 24, it won't go anywhere near as fast as an Anderson, and one would have to sort out the main and foresail sheet leads let alone forseails to cope with heavy weather, but as I'm getting older I am seriously impressed...
For anyone from 10 - 55 the Anderson 22 remains the boat to beat in her class...
Yellow Ballad
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I blew the budget and bought a Ballad, hence the username change! I have however joined (well it's going through) a friendly club with very reasonable moorings.
The wife had a look inside and agreed she wouldn't want to be in anything smaller.
The wife had a look inside and agreed she wouldn't want to be in anything smaller.
Baggywrinkle
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Congratulations!!!, hope you have alot of fun in her .......