Boat survey report, not great news! Opinions please

[Portofino]

On a point of fact, Doan didn't have a cracked hull. He also went out of his way to throw as much mud as possible in the hope some stuck.
Jimmy the builder, if I remember correctly, was the forumite who highlighted that the 'repair' In Doans photo was in fact the wire holding the aft cabin blind.

My recollection is that DOAN,s Bav ,s hull had stress cracks from a survey report - Also below the water line too.
There was indeed some "chaff" including the wire for the blind agreed - and a pannal joint you may recall on a cabin wall So two errors JTB actually identified not one -the rest seemed plausible --- .Also as above with the Op the surveyor suggested the boat was unsafe for use as it was .+ numerous out of true doors and locker hatches -.leaking pipes , -fliuds in the bilge etc .
DOAN did give the impression of "throwing mud " -but late on in the post and placed a few of these after that sentence
Which I took rightly or wrongly as a tongue in cheek bit of sarcasasm ? .
Mods arguably (ask Deleted User ) were trigger happy in my view deleting the post ,because we will never really get any where near to the bottom of what happened to that Bav , And what the out come of the factory offer to return and remedy ?
Or DOAN,s threat -( against the considered forum advice )- of a court case for full refund ?

We were left in limbo

Factory defect -poor QA

"dropped in the slings "

Dealer demo issues -delivered with 16 hrs on the engines ! -what happened in those 16 hrs ?

Or a combo of above -your guess is as good as mine --NOW

Any how my - "hull cracks " your "point of fact " pic paints 1000 words - but happy to agree to disagree if you think the wording I used is miss representative -

"cracked hull" if not what is it ?
Nobody did challenge that discription of these surveyors photo,s so I just used the same terminology and although no word smith ,iam having difficulty finding another way of writing what s evident here .

 

[steve930]

Agreed I would have liked to know the outcome of doan's boat, but if he couldn't keep a civil tongue ( or keyboard )! On an unresolved issue where there's possibly legal proceedings also in process, I think it was right to delete the thread

I fail to see any comparisons between his boat and the one mentioned in this thread, as others have suggested the boat I'm talking about has had 16yrs and 500 hours of coastal bashing, I believe a previous owner was involved in a cruising club

Aside from the above paragraph The cracks/damage to the hull was quite symmetrical on port/starboard side, reinforcing the belief of either bad cranage or trailer transit damage. The surveyor's recommendation for immediate repair was based on preventing water ingress/long term damage, rather than fear of the cracks growing.

Suffice to say it's not put me off considering another Bavaria on the market if nothing comes of the other boat I viewed last weekend

 

[P4Paul]

My recollection is that DOAN,s Bav ,s hull had stress cracks from a survey report - Also below the water line too.
There was indeed some "chaff" including the wire for the blind agreed - and a pannal joint you may recall on a cabin wall So two errors JTB actually identified not one -the rest seemed plausible --- .Also as above with the Op the surveyor suggested the boat was unsafe for use as it was .+ numerous out of true doors and locker hatches -.leaking pipes , -fliuds in the bilge etc .
DOAN did give the impression of "throwing mud " -but late on in the post and placed a few of these after that sentence
Which I took rightly or wrongly as a tongue in cheek bit of sarcasasm ? .
Mods arguably (ask Deleted User ) were trigger happy in my view deleting the post ,because we will never really get any where near to the bottom of what happened to that Bav , And what the out come of the factory offer to return and remedy ?
Or DOAN,s threat -( against the considered forum advice )- of a court case for full refund ?

We were left in limbo

Factory defect -poor QA

"dropped in the slings "

Dealer demo issues -delivered with 16 hrs on the engines ! -what happened in those 16 hrs ?

Or a combo of above -your guess is as good as mine --NOW

Any how my - "hull cracks " your "point of fact " pic paints 1000 words - but happy to agree to disagree if you think the wording I used is miss representative -

"cracked hull" if not what is it ?
Nobody did challenge that discription of these surveyors photo,s so I just used the same terminology and although no word smith ,iam having difficulty finding another way of writing what s evident here .

Without wanting to go over old ground. The photos show that the stitching of the cabinetry items which are loaded in after the hull has been removed from the mould and has been trimmed have come away from the woodwork. The normal reason for this to have happened is the base of the woodwork has not been scored (or keyed) enough for the resin to provide a secure lock and/or the tape used to prevent the base edges from being varnished was not present.
Not ideal and shouldn't happen but what the photos show is a problem with the cabinetry.

What they do not show is cracking of the hull.

I challenged the surveyor's language and use of terminology at the time but Doan avoided anwsering my questions. :ambivalence:

 

[mparrish]

Not ideal and shouldn't happen but what the photos show is a problem with the cabinetry.

What they do not show is cracking of the hull.

+1

 

[KevB]

What they do not show is cracking of the hull.

I challenged the surveyor's language and use of terminology at the time but Doan avoided anwsering my questions. :ambivalence:

I'm new to this one but certainly in the first pic that looks like a crack in the structure and the second pic looks like a tool is being placed between the hull and a stringer or whatever it's called that runs the length of the boat. I wouldn't be happy with that on a boat of any age.

 

[MapisM]

I've decided to walk away, so the hunt resumes

Enjoy the search, you made the right call. :encouragement:

 

[Portofino]

I'm new to this one but certainly in the first pic that looks like a crack in the structure and the second pic looks like a tool is being placed between the hull and a stringer or whatever it's called that runs the length of the boat. I wouldn't be happy with that on a boat of any age.

and the third pic (disregard to # wood at the top of the pic ) -look at that wavy line running down top to bottom of the pic -- that's not a wire or finish joint or mating of two pieces it is what ?
Ans "crack "
in what ? I would call that the inside of the hull ,

 

[CX54WEK]

Agreed I would have liked to know the outcome of doan's boat, but if he couldn't keep a civil tongue ( or keyboard )! On an unresolved issue where there's possibly legal proceedings also in process, I think it was right to delete the thread

I fail to see any comparisons between his boat and the one mentioned in this thread, as others have suggested the boat I'm talking about has had 16yrs and 500 hours of coastal bashing, I believe a previous owner was involved in a cruising club

Aside from the above paragraph The cracks/damage to the hull was quite symmetrical on port/starboard side, reinforcing the belief of either bad cranage or trailer transit damage. The surveyor's recommendation for immediate repair was based on preventing water ingress/long term damage, rather than fear of the cracks growing.

Suffice to say it's not put me off considering another Bavaria on the market if nothing comes of the other boat I viewed last weekend

Are you not going to wait until you see the full survey before making your mind up?

If it is something that can be explained as to why it has happened, it gives you some bargaining power on the price and after the repairs the boat should be good as new again.

 

[P4Paul]

and the third pic (disregard to # wood at the top of the pic ) -look at that wavy line running down top to bottom of the pic -- that's not a wire or finish joint or mating of two pieces it is what ?
Ans "crack "
in what ? I would call that the inside of the hull ,

It is the edge of the floor laid under the cabinetry and then the edge painted with resin wash (top coat).

 

[steve930]

Are you not going to wait until you see the full survey before making your mind up?

If it is something that can be explained as to why it has happened, it gives you some bargaining power on the price and after the repairs the boat should be good as new again.

I want to be back in the water for summer & there's a high chance it won't happen with this boat! Also if I bought the boat I'd be paying storage fees for it until repaired, on top of my mooring fees. The yard where the boat is located is really expensive too.

I also have to consider resale time in the future, if a surveyor notices the repairs it may put off future buyers. As plenty of people have said, there's plenty of other boats out there

 

[CX54WEK]

I want to be back in the water for summer & there's a high chance it won't happen with this boat! Also if I bought the boat I'd be paying storage fees for it until repaired, on top of my mooring fees. The yard where the boat is located is really expensive too.

I also have to consider resale time in the future, if a surveyor notices the repairs it may put off future buyers. As plenty of people have said, there's plenty of other boats out there

There are plenty of other boats out there granted, but how do you know that the next one you choose to survey won't need repairs, and the one after that and the one after that?

Where do you draw the line?

These are not new boats you are looking at and chances are everyone of them you survey is going to need some form of work or repairs carried out.

Is waiting a month or so for repairs to be carried out really that difficult? It could take longer then that to find another nice boat, get it surveyed and then strike the deal and carry it through!

 

[lisilou]

Trust your instincts is my two penneth FWIW.
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[jac]

Personally I would use the info to negotiate hard. I wouldn't look to complete the sale until the work was done so would look for the seller to complete the repair at his expense ( including yard bills) and you will stick to your pre-survey offer. That way the risk sits with the seller.

They may say no deal in which case walk but they then run the risk of paying storage for several months until a new purchaser comes along and going through the whole rigmarole again.

Even if you compromise on who pays storage, who pays repairs, the vendor knows he will sell in April / May and that may be worth more to him than hanging on and hoping the next surveyor doesn't notice the work

 

[itchenseadog]

I want to be back in the water for summer & there's a high chance it won't happen with this boat! Also if I bought the boat I'd be paying storage fees for it until repaired, on top of my mooring fees. The yard where the boat is located is really expensive too.

I also have to consider resale time in the future, if a surveyor notices the repairs it may put off future buyers. As plenty of people have said, there's plenty of other boats out there

A repair if done properly, will often enhance the value of the vessel and any competant surveyor should instantly recognise the quality of the repair and, if supported by paperwork from a well known recognised repair yard, should point out the fact to the prospective purchaser and it will be highly unlikely to detract from the vessel. In my experience the repair will often strengthen the vessel which will be more attractive to a buyer.

 

[P4Paul]

A repair if done properly, will often enhance the value of the vessel and any competant surveyor should instantly recognise the quality of the repair and, if supported by paperwork from a well known recognised repair yard, should point out the fact to the prospective purchaser and it will be highly unlikely to detract from the vessel. In my experience the repair will often strengthen the vessel which will be more attractive to a buyer.

I agree, especially if the cause can be identified and a paperwork trail provided to any future owner (and surveyor).

The real issue I guess is how long the OP has to wait before the boat is repaired.

 

[MapisM]

In my experience the repair will often strengthen the vessel which will be more attractive to a buyer.

Well, if that's your experience, I can only take your word for it.
Fwiw, mine is the opposite.

 

[P4Paul]

Well, if that's your experience, I can only take your word for it.
Fwiw, mine is the opposite.

I think it is perspective, my view is if you can provide documents which describe and support the cause of the issue, explanation of the rationale behind the solution and then evidence of a well performed cure, then I don't see it detracting from the value unless it is a particular model with a number of local alternative options. Perhaps it is the fact I have repaired a number of damaged hulls that gives me confidence in engineered structural repairs. Maybe the market doesn't feel the same level of confidence?

A gung-ho repair with no providence would certainly ensure a boat would end up in the eBay - starting at £0.99 bracket!

Perhaps the real question is how does the marine industry categorise and register repairs so perspective buyers can start to trust the market.