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The examiner says that the return pipes on a four year old Vetus engine, dont pass the requirements. Nor can they be changed for any others. So far no responce from Vetus/ Duzch?? who's sayso to BWW would do.

Reading the BSS blurb. It's ok to have an antique engine with a bucket under to collect the unused fuel!!

Think the examiner is being a bit padantic, apparently the pipes are to small to pass??

So, what next!!
 
Some of my old Bayliner fuel pipes failed (only 4/5 years old at the time)
I took the US coast guard no. from the pipe and managed to show the BSS requirements were based on the US CG requirements and I got the pass.


BUT
A brand New professionally installed Eberspacher heater would fail and need the pipes to be replaced as the plastic pipes are regarded as unsafe, eberspacher do a kit for this specific purpose.

You need to find a reference number on the pipe and get the manufacturer to specify the type of pipe used to demonstrate the pipe is suitable.

BSS are very keen to see all pipes marked with the relevant BS no. the age of 4 years works against you, as you say older boats have special exemptions.

Your best hope is to read the exemption booklet.
 
some years ago with my previous boat at the start of bss I had the same prob. with genuine Volvo which were not stamped I was assured by Volvo that they were up to speck, didnt argue just went to the local stationers and bought some Letraset,put the right spec. on QED!!
 
engine fuel flexables should meet of exceed ISO 7840 (A1 or A2) This refurs to the compound and structure of the flexible pipe itself. The trick here is that many examiners just look for the ISO 7840 marking on the pipes however if you can get proof from VETUS that the pipes either meet or ecceed theis spec your home and dry.
If not Its is quite easy to change the flexable fuel pipes to meet these requirements.
 
The Plot thickens

Been back onto the guy, but also onto the boat builder who used to be a BSS examiner. Boat builder says the guy has no business looking at engine, cos it complies, anyway it is elegal for BSS to have other requirements than EEC rules.

So. Examiner says it's unsafe. But ok if vetus say its ok. BWW cant say it's unsafe, cos contravenes EEC rules. If I can get a certificate from Vetus, it's ok to burn in hell. If I cant, then BWW cant complain anyway. So We still burn. If the boat was older a bucket would do, still ok to burn to death. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Presumably it passed 4 years ago?

As far as I was aware there have been some changes but I was under the impression that they were mainly relaxing various issues which had previously been mandatory to a reccomended category.

I changed the diesel return lines on my P32 to coded material only to be told later that the originals would have been accepted.
Re the Eberspacher, the kit is not so much to meet the BSS but rather a marinisation kit with copper feed pipes etc. I would cetainly not want it on my boat with the plastic pipes which are common on trucks.

If he's intent on failing you then I would ask for the failure papers ASAP so you know exact what you are up against.
 
Re: The Plot thickens

The Whole BSS on Fuel lines is a total debarcle I used to work for a motor boat builder here on the braods and as soon as the BSS and RCD (don't get them confused) came on the seen, i was instructed to remove fuel lines suppled with new engines (yamnar, volvo penta, perkins/sabre, cat etc) and fit ones bought in which compled with BSS RCD. Surely i thought if were fitting CE marked engines then the fuel lines are covered i asked?
The relpy yes they may be covered by RCD but not by BSS!!
So answer this engine manufactures who intend selling engines for use on British Waterways why dont you fit fuel lines marked with ISO 7840 then we wont have this re-ocouring problem.
 
Re: The Plot thickens

Fairline quoted me when I asked that question


"our boats are designed for the sea and not for rivers"

They appeared oblivious to the fact that many seagoing boats are berthed or visit inland rivers.


Muchy,

As for disconnecting the Eberspacher you would need to hide the exhaust outlet as the examiners are looking for these things, not a lot gets past the dumb fools apart from the exemptions that they don't want to admit exist. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
Can you not appeal the examiners failure. Surely if 2 others have said its ok and they prepare boats for the inspection then the examiner is either not up to speed on the current regs or he's a jobsworth. Surely you must have some recourse
 
Re: Eberspacher/webasto with copper pipes ?

I totally do not agree with concealing equipment for the test.
I think if you are going to the trouble to have your boat tested you may as well enter into the spirit of the test for your own personal safety.

That said in answer to muchyes question I think you would get away with it if you totally remove an item and then refit it later.

The last cert. I had was issued 2004 and certainly did not list any equipment, no mention was made of the Eberspacher that I had modified and spent several Hours fitting copper pipes.

As for plastic pipes not being fitted to boats, I agree but in practice I believe boat manufacturers are fitting them ????????????????/

I have only ever seen copper pipes after a boat has been modified to pass the BSS.

Has anyone got a factory fitted eberspacher/webasto with copper pipes ?
 
Get the relevent bss. nos, take off tails ,go to hydraulic pipe menders on any out of town industrial site, give him 20 quid ,crimp correct pipe on ends, wait 1/2 hour , drive back to boat , fix it back , hey presto ? ,happy examiner,bss certificate and keeps plenty of peeps in jobs .
 
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