Tranona
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We don't know if he is eligible to use the SSR
Boat registration and international travel
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westernman
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My understanding was that he was a British Citizen and currently resident in the UK but was planning of sailing off into the sunset.
Tranona
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Can't see anything about his residence - only citizenship. While SSR would be a sensible short term fix if eligible, Part1 has many advantages and is not dependent on residence..
westernman
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True for Part 1. But is a bit more hassle as a tonnage survey by an authorized surveryor needs to be done.
Tranona
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Yes, but not a huge issue when buying the sort of boat i would imagine the OP is. Just needs a bit of thought beforehand to get the tonnage survey done at the same time as the purchase survey.
LadyInBed
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Going down the UK reg path adds complications imo.
I would pursue the San Marino reg route and if asked de-reg docs, say awaiting arrival.
I would pursue the San Marino reg route and if asked de-reg docs, say awaiting arrival.
Tranona
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You don't know what is involved in San Marino. Most European registration systems are far more complex than the UL - even Part 1 - and have much more onerous requirements.
westernman
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Including a deregistration certificate with the previous or current owners name on it.
Whiterose
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Register boat on SSR ..easy…as long as you have evidence of boat being in EU on 31st …you can move anywhere in EU….but can bring back to UK without paying VAT ..so
Tranona
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No you can't bring it back to the UK without paying VAT. That relief is only available if the boat originated in the UK and is still in the same ownership. Neither of these apply in this case.
Koeketiene
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LadyInBed
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From the link, it looks like you need to 'Provide supporting documents'
'You need to provide documents to support this application such as the Bill of Sale.'
There appears to be no necessity to provide a certificate of deregistration.
'You need to provide documents to support this application such as the Bill of Sale.'
There appears to be no necessity to provide a certificate of deregistration.
greeny
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I've just looked at the link for San Marino registration and it looks amazingly simple. No mention of registration deregister.
As per my previous suggestion, try to go for your San Marino registration. Just fill in the online form and see what happens and if that fails for some reason, put her on SSR for the time being.
At the risk of the wrath of the hordes on here, I may even be tempted to do both applications in parallel if I was really tight for time. (incoming
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In my recent experience , the SSR was really quick. I applied and had heard nothing after a week. I telephoned them and explained the urgency and it was done and the certificate emailed to me within 4 hours.
That's if you want to go sailing on your planned dates.
Otherwise you can just sit it out where you are and wait for the French dereg. papers to come through.
As per my previous suggestion, try to go for your San Marino registration. Just fill in the online form and see what happens and if that fails for some reason, put her on SSR for the time being.
At the risk of the wrath of the hordes on here, I may even be tempted to do both applications in parallel if I was really tight for time. (incoming
)In my recent experience , the SSR was really quick. I applied and had heard nothing after a week. I telephoned them and explained the urgency and it was done and the certificate emailed to me within 4 hours.
That's if you want to go sailing on your planned dates.
Otherwise you can just sit it out where you are and wait for the French dereg. papers to come through.
Tranona
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That is an agency and it does not say what the eligibility is, nor whether this register is accepted internationally. San Marino is a tiny enclave in the middle of Italy with no coastline and 33000 inhabitants. It has set itself up as a "flag of convenience" for commercial shipping. Nowhere on its website or that of the agent say what the requirements are for private pleasure yachts.
Koeketiene
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OK - I guess Google is down where you live... ?
1. If you are not a resident, you will need a local agent to act for you.
2. San Marino joined the IMO in 2002 and it's flag is recognised worldwide.
3. Cost is 525 Euro/5years for yachts <10m, 1600 Euro/5 years for yachts >10m and <24m.
4. Requirements (from an agent website):
Tranona
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So, no different from going on Part 1 and in fact more expensive once you add the tonnage certificate. This is a money making activity not a state providing registration facilities. It is aimed at big yacht owners who want to avoid the requirements of state registrations, particularly over 24m, not for little yotties wanting to wander round Europe in their small boats.
Fail to understand why anybody who has easy access to a register such as the British or Channel Islands would bother.
Graham376
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I don't understand either. Mate of mine is going for Polish registration via agent at virtually the same cost as tonnage survey for Part 1, costing €600, plus £75 for 5 years. Will be interesting to see how he obtains insurance, third party has already been declined by Pants and two other brokers. UK citizen but resident in Portugal with Spanish at the moment registration, soon to be Polish.
greeny
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Neither do I. (understand that is).
I do understand why the Portuguese, Spanish and others may wish to use these "other" flags to reduce annual tax costs and onerous inspections. But surely if the SSR is possible to the individual, it must be the lowest cost, minimal legislative option available in the geographical European area.