jfm
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Yup, i is not allowed in upper or lower case (except if you the registrant of the root name, of course).
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jfm
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Correct: not the name
petem
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Yep, we needed a tonnage survey costing £150 or so despite the old registration having expired only a couple of years ago. Total con.
petem
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3. Contacts
Thought so! Not so easy to track down the owner of "ANDIAMO" when there's 30 odd of them in the UK (without contacts at the MCA).
jfm
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piece of cake. Email registry for a transcript. £30. There is only one Andiamo on the p1 register.
Interesting how people like their names though. Several years ago a name I wanted was on a nothing-special boat. I got transcript. Asked the owner if he would sell it for £5k, with him keeping his name but adding a letter, and he said no!
rafiki_
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I note there is an alternative Rafiki posting on one of the other YBW forum's. I feel challenged :disgust:
julians
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Sorry this query is slightly off topic, and may have been covered before, but why bother with part 1 registration? What are the benefits?
Ive only ever been ssr registered on all my boats ( and all boats in the family), that seems a simple enough approach,but perhaps i am missing something? I guess after a certain size or weight there is a legal obligation to be part 1 registered, but a boat of petes size doesnt mandate it, does it?
Ive only ever been ssr registered on all my boats ( and all boats in the family), that seems a simple enough approach,but perhaps i am missing something? I guess after a certain size or weight there is a legal obligation to be part 1 registered, but a boat of petes size doesnt mandate it, does it?
jrudge
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A number of reasons ...
1. If you want a marine mortgage unless very low value they will require Part 1 as you can register a mortgage on it. You cant on SSR. if low value they may take the docs of title instead ( maybe £20-£30k)
2. You can get a very official looking piece of paper saying the boats length. This is the waterline length and is much shorter than the true dimensions. I did this on my last boat for this reason. It saved a fortune. Another forumite did it as well ! It was a 22m boat and as i recall it went down to about 19.6 - in the med this is big money! They all use the length on the documents to charge you ( with the exception of Cala Dor permanent berths - Yan uses Google! )
3. Part 1 gives legal title which may or may not be useful to you. It may also give a buyer some comfort on purchase.
4. you can register 64th of ownership , so I would imagine this is the reason for Pete as the boat is co-owned
stelican
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Thames Tonnage this is what is recorded on the Part 1 registration document
This is the figure shown on the carving plate after the letters T.T
Thames tonnage is the number of barrels known as tuns that would fit under the weather deck of the vessel, each barrel having a capacity of approx 2240lb
When the vessel is measured the surveyor will then apply a calculation formula to his measurements which will give him the Thames Tonnage of the vessel.
Some surveyors will insist on the vessel being ashore to take this measurement.
Have also known surveyors to come and inspect vessel after name and Port of Registry has been signwritten and fail if the Port of Registry has not been the official height of 4inches.(easy to change afterwards)
This is where the saying money for old rope should have come from.
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julians
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Ah ok , a few reasons then, i can see the length things being useful to a lot of people.
No good reasons for me though, thanks for replying.
No good reasons for me though, thanks for replying.
petem
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J, spot on other than point 2. My expired Part 1 reg shows the same LOA as the builder's certificate. Note that the Part 1 Reg just says "Length", it doesn't specify LOA, WL.
I can't recall if my tonnage survey quotes a length. I know the surveyor asked for the builders certificate, etc which of course quotes LOA. Will check this evening.
Note that the Part 1 Registration form asks for "APPROXIMATE LENGTH (in metres)"...
Of course, the length for SSR is self certified but does ask for the "Overall length: (metres)"...
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Whitelighter
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My P1 length is 14.35m
LOA in the Ferretti book (not actually measured it myself) is 16.20m
Being "officially" under 15m is handy. Very handy...
LOA in the Ferretti book (not actually measured it myself) is 16.20m
Being "officially" under 15m is handy. Very handy...
benjenbav
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Given that you're renting water-space why indeed should you pay for taking up room in the air above it. :encouragement:
Whitelighter
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What about Andiamoi (no space, just part of the name) and then invert the i
Whitelighter
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Its not even about cost
finding 15m berths is relatively easy
finding 20m berths (the next size up in most places) is a lot harder
petem
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Finally we've been allocated a name. Boat will be named "Andiamo F".
My mate at work said....
"What's the 'F' for, F****** money pit?"
How I laughed!
My mate at work said....
"What's the 'F' for, F****** money pit?"
How I laughed!
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jimmy_the_builder
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petem
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That's very nearly 'And I am off...'
Very good J, I hadn't picked up on that one!
Whitelighter
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All the best boats end in F
Murphys_Law
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Just going back to an earlier point, the true purpose of the tonnage survey apart from confirming physical dimensions to generate an arbitary figure. Is to confirm that the vessel physically exists.
Hence what seems a bonkers request, a re survey for tonnage, as clearly the boat in question has not grown, is actually not quite so bonkers if you (registry, banks, etc.) want confirmation of both its existence and its serial numbers etc. From a "competent person"
Approximate length is for the surveyor to allocate time.
Hence what seems a bonkers request, a re survey for tonnage, as clearly the boat in question has not grown, is actually not quite so bonkers if you (registry, banks, etc.) want confirmation of both its existence and its serial numbers etc. From a "competent person"
Approximate length is for the surveyor to allocate time.
