Boat-hook thready mooring-buoy thingies

It is Xmas so perhaps someone might find this short story I wrote amusing
If not then apologies


Boat hooks

Now there’s a subject that can keep the bar pundits at Stone Sailing Club going for ages, In fact any subject draws the crowd in, provided the orator is buying the beers. It is a little known fact that in the ever advancing world of electronics, the humble boathook has not been left behind.

My first hook worked perfectly well. A visit to Thomas Foulkes, under the Leytonstone arches, resulted in a massive, galvanised ex army (Boadicea’s Icean army that is) whaling harpoon, “8 ft broom stick handle 3s 7d extra”. Three hours whittling the end of the stick to get the correct taper to fit, resulted in a 4 ft handle; 3 inch nail sticking out of the side & a wobbly 10Lb lump of metal on the end. One of the most dangerous pikes known to the Romans.

Whoe betide anyone on starboard tack who comes between old Pete & his buoy. Full main & topsail set, the crew hanging over the pulpit waving the hook, like Boadicea in full fighting trim, 400 yards from the mooring, shouting “left a bit, right a bit” as they thunders past 50 yards away down wind & down tide , the helm screaming obscenities at his crew for missing the ring.

Some idiot in the RYA has tried to banish one of life’s greatest skills, by doing away with the hook altogether. Instead you can see “RYA approved sailing school dot com” along the East coast with poor souls hanging over the bow trying to lasso the buoy like Roy Rogers riding Trigger. Those that do manage to actually lasso the buoy, & not the prop, and then manage to burst the buoy- leaving the owner wondering where his £ 400-00 of best quality Chinese chain has gone.

Seeing a hole in the market on the Blackwater I flog the chain, so no complaints there, as the each year owner after owner come with tales of woe & “Do I have any chain?”, “Oh!! & have you got any buoys left?”

It is a little known fact that the RYA has robbed this from an earlier anchoring technique still practised at Stone.
As we know if you are on starboard tack, running down wind, an old gaffer has right of way over everything in its way, including moored boats. The technique is to let the dinghy out on 200 ft of line (you must have seen old gaffers thus rigged) generally with the wind up the chuff the dinghy will overtake to leeward forming a gigantic bight in the painter. The experienced helm just has to select a plastic fantastic 3 moorings up from his & lasso it with the dinghy, plus the next 2 down the line, thus bringing the heaviest of gaffers to a grinding halt. A leisurely stroll to the bow & our whiskery old salt leans over & gently raises the buoy. “Oh! Have I hooked my dinghy? Sorry old son, Never mind it will unhook when the tide changes” Just as 3 owners rush for the gel filler & insurance policies

There were 2 designs of hook. One was for swinging mooring owners, which had 2 hooks on the end. You only used one, but two meant more danger with the cat’s cradle getting it out from the bottom of the deepest locker. New crews, eager to please after a day’s cruise, would offer to grab the buoy. More experienced crews would breathe a sigh of relief. Many a novice crew has fallen in to the locker. Sweeny Todd was said to live in a London Street but his counterpart- the owner of an old gaff cutter in Maldon lives on- luring new crew on board, never to be seen again, with the promise of far off lands & hot meat pies at 8 bells.
If you did manage to unwind the tangle of ropes, heaving lines, buckets & lead lines etc & did actually hook the ring, the weight of the old gaffer thundering past the buoy would drag you over the side in a trice. “Don’t you dare drop that hook” was the cry from the helm. Our budding crew had the choice, be dragged over the side & drown or 40 tongue lashings; most went for drowning.

The other type of hook was for dock side dwellers. Fortunately they rarely went anywhere, preferring to make tarry smells, grow beards & cover the boat in baggy wrinkle, looking to the casual observer like left over tea clipper salts. Anyway, this type of hook has a point & only one hook. This is designed for pushing the boat off just before it crashes into the sea wall. Instead of being pulled over the side the novice crew gets the end of the stick in his stomach & promptly gets pushed over the stern. Pity really, as he does not get the chance to see the bowsprit clear the wall at ankle level & wipe out 3 tourists & a heap of lobster pots the other side of the road.

So, mooring sales apart, there’s a lot to say for the good old hook.

But time moves on & some budding Dyson has decided he can improve on a bit of kit that has lasted generations of old Harry’s. First it was a large detachable gunmetal hook on a stick & attached to a line. Our budding crew just had to lean over, hook the buoy at 6 Knts & disconnect the handle & Bob’s your uncle, just as long as the other end was looped on to the samson post. Old Pete would then do 150 foot pirouettes around the buoy as gaff & topsail did crash gybes decapitating anyone who dared look above the gunwale. Here in St Lawrence Bay it is quite normal for the salts to start the season moored to the east of the club & by October they will be just off Osea pier 3 miles to the west. “Stan – we must do something about the size of these sinkers -I think I’ve dragged a bit”
Nowadays we have super plastic contraptions that threadle the line , bring it back to the boat, tie a bowline , drop the sail & make the tea - all for a mear hundred quid or so.

In the old days if you could not afford a new boat hook you moored just below one of the other cruisers & wait for one to come bobbing down tide like a broad’s fisher’s pike float. They all came from Thomas Foulkes so no one could tell who’s they really were; besides ,to admit you had just thrown it over the side cost more in thank you beers & embarrassment than the actual hook. If you lost yours you just had to move down tide & wait for another.
Nowadays it’s different. You have to buy the dearest hook possible just in case the bloke 100yds downstream catches it & he would see the price tag & nod with envy. The size of boat isn’t an issue any more; it’s the size of your buoy & boat hook. I just wish they would attach the instructions in waterproof paper so I could work out how to use them.
 
If lassooing damages your buoy it's time you had a new one anyway. But I don't believe it does.
I am not speaking through experience but it seems eminently believable that a buoy could be lightly enough built that putting the weight of a boat on it could damage the plastic so I don't understand the rationale for that belief ?

The gadgets are not as good and convenient as lassooing.

I always lassoo.
I teach people to lassoo (I am an RYA instructor)

And will continue to do so.

(nb only temporary to hold the boat whilst tieing up properly)
Why not teach people to hook the buoy by the ring with a normal boathook ? I assume you are not predominately teaching single-handers so that would be the obvious way to go about it ? And if it saves someone else from having to renew their equipment then that's all to the good.

Boo2
 
Owners pay about £300 for the mooring kit & even brand new moorings have been lost & it has been suspected it is down to this practice.

You've been had! :eek:

See: http://www.boatfendersdirect.co.uk/SHOP-Mooring-Buoys-shortiron.php

MR30 - YELLOW £38.99
MR40 - YELLOW £49.99

MR mooring buoys (with short iron rod) are manufactured from BACELL™, Provinor’s special foam material with 100% closed cells. The material is an in-house composition, consisting of environmentally friendly EVA. The closed-cell structure prevents any water from entering into the material and makes these buoys totally puncture proof.

I just find it odd how many sailors just cannot manouver their boats properly & resort to this destructive practice

Well its time to accept that a large proportion of sailors cannot manoeuver their boats properly, or in boisterous or awkward conditions find it extremely hard to do so.

In my own case, singlehanded most of the time, I don't always have the luxury of a crew to deal with the fiddly stuff whilst I hold the boat head to wind or stem the tide under sail...
 
Why not teach people to hook the buoy by the ring with a normal boathook ? I assume you are not predominately teaching single-handers so that would be the obvious way to go about it ? And if it saves someone else from having to renew their equipment then that's all to the good.

Boo2

once you've left a boathook on the buoy after being blown off in a F6 you won't do that again ;-0
 
Way Hay! Daydrean believer - JDS re-incarnated.:D

For those ignorant of the facts, many of us use inflatable buoys for our moorings, which can VERY EASILY be damaged by uncaring RYA taught lasooers.
 
Way Hay! Daydrean believer - JDS re-incarnated.:D

For those ignorant of the facts, many of us use inflatable buoys for our moorings, which can VERY EASILY be damaged by uncaring RYA taught lasooers.

You're using an unsuitable buoy then, and taught hands on here, the only RYA stuff I've done was years later to get certificates.

Go and fork out for a proper buoy
or if applicable lean on the harbour masters' people ! :rolleyes::)
 
You're using an unsuitable buoy then, and taught hands on here, the only RYA stuff I've done was years later to get certificates.

Go and fork out for a proper buoy
or if applicable lean on the harbour masters' people ! :rolleyes::)

Rubbish! If you don't watch out, I'll come and tie up to your stanchions too.;)
 
You've been had! :eek:

See: http://www.boatfendersdirect.co.uk/SHOP-Mooring-Buoys-shortiron.php

MR30 - YELLOW £38.99
MR40 - YELLOW £49.99

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You really do not live in the real world do you
If the buoy goes then so does the chain, the shackles & the sinker etc
Actually by the time the mooring holder has to pay for the tug to relay the mooring he will be more than £ 300 down. Also the tug charges £ 500 per visit so the owner has to wait a year for the tugs annual visit where he does mooring lift or place for £ 50 per time.
As for your buoy prices you do not have the correct buoys. Most mooring holders have to pay circa £140 for a rigid buoy or £ 80 for an inflatable. The ones you quote are far too small for our river
We bulk buy these to get a discount
Chain works t about £10 per m
Sinkers cost from £30 to £65 depending on size

So i am sorry my friend you are talking b.....cks
Oh I do the stocking & buying for the owners so grant me a bit of savvy on this

Besides the owners do not want their moorings lassoed so take your d...d boats & moor elsewhere if you do not want to play ball
Moor correctly & you may be welcome otherwise go away
 
You're using an unsuitable buoy then, and taught hands on here, the only RYA stuff I've done was years later to get certificates.

Go and fork out for a proper buoy
or if applicable lean on the harbour masters' people ! :rolleyes::)

The type of buoy is up to us ( owners) just because you cannot manouver a boat properly is not a reason for us to have to buy different buoys
If you cannot accept that then stay away from our moorings
Treat them with respect & you are welcome
 
You really do not live in the real world do you
If the buoy goes then so does the chain, the shackles & the sinker etc
Actually by the time the mooring holder has to pay for the tug to relay the mooring he will be more than £ 300 down
. Also the tug charges £ 500 per visit so the owner has to wait a year for the tugs annual visit where he does mooring lift or place for £ 50 per time.
As for your buoy prices you do not have the correct buoys. Most mooring holders have to pay circa £140 for a rigid buoy or £ 80 for an inflatable. The ones you quote are far too small for our river
We bulk buy these to get a discount
Chain works t about £10 per m
Sinkers cost from £30 to £65 depending on size

So i am sorry my friend you are talking b.....cks
Oh I do the stocking & buying for the owners so grant me a bit of savvy on this


Besides the owners do not want their moorings lassoed so take your d...d boats & moor elsewhere if you do not want to play ball
Moor correctly & you may be welcome otherwise go away

Do yourself - and the people you look after! - a massive financial favour then:
1/ invest in buoys that are filled with polystyrene which won't sink - ever!
2/ acknowledge that a sunk buoy does not imply that the entire mooring needs to be relaid - just the buoy needs recovering and replacing with one fit for all purposes.
3/ appreciate that you cannot stop the tide and people will always lasso buoys - if you cannot do this, then you'll always find yourself in a lather, whether over people or the RYA.

Mr B*ll*cks
 
Well its time to accept that a large proportion of sailors cannot manoeuver their boats properly, or in boisterous or awkward conditions find it extremely hard to do so.

In my own case, singlehanded most of the time, I don't always have the luxury of a crew to deal with the fiddly stuff whilst I hold the boat head to wind or stem the tide under sail...

Well if they do not know how to handle the conditions or cannot do it on there own they should reconsider being out there... Or learn to handle there boat better...

The type of buoy is up to us ( owners) just because you cannot manouver a boat properly is not a reason for us to have to buy different buoys
If you cannot accept that then stay away from our moorings
Treat them with respect & you are welcome

This reminds me of the thread that was part of the end of "crusty" if people went round lassoing his buoys I can understand his view point.

Do yourself - and the people you look after! - a massive financial favour then:
1/ invest in buoys that are filled with polystyrene which won't sink - ever!
2/ acknowledge that a sunk buoy does not imply that the entire mooring needs to be relaid - just the buoy needs recovering and replacing with one fit for all purposes.
3/ appreciate that you cannot stop the tide and people will always lasso buoys - if you cannot do this, then you'll always find yourself in a lather, whether over people or the RYA.

Mr B*ll*cks

1) People can choose what the buoy they want.
2) Where it is cheaper to relay the mooring, than to get the mooring out of the mud. The original mooring was fit for purpose/
3) People need to be taught to not lasso buoys and learn how to do it it properly its called education.
 
Well if they do not know how to handle the conditions or cannot do it on there own they should reconsider being out there... Or learn to handle there boat better...

1) People can choose what the buoy they want.
2) Where it is cheaper to relay the mooring, than to get the mooring out of the mud. The original mooring was fit for purpose/
3) People need to be taught to not lasso buoys and learn how to do it it properly its called education.

What? Like getting the 60% of drivers who are either downright bad or just sub-optimal off the roads?

Good luck!
 
I personally think some of this is down to the RYA instructors who tell people it is OK to lasso anything that floats.

Your belief is simply nonsense.

Crikey with all of those mooring buoys disappearing - how many schools are there where you are?

What force of wind does it take to crack or burst one of these buoys?

Alll those schools out in strong winds - crikey!

Remember the buoys have to be able to take the weight of the chain in a strong tide - they can't just simultaneously pop.

Or can they? If they do take them back they are not for for purpose.

Oh and by comparison when did you last burst a fender?

I repeat:

Lassoing is the fastest and safest way of bringing the boat under control in order to make fast properly.

I do it, will continue to do it and continue to teach it.

It shows good seamanship.
 
What? Like getting the 60% of drivers who are either downright bad or just sub-optimal off the roads?

Good luck!

Just because other people cannot do things properly, I do not see why I should lower myself to that level. Each to there own standards I guess..

Although the harbor I am in provide the mooring buoys we provide pick ups & strops. I soon changed my pick up to an old fender when I saw how people used to tie up to it...

For some reason after that my mooring was always the last taken ;).
 
Way Hay! Daydrean believer - JDS re-incarnated.:D

For those ignorant of the facts, many of us use inflatable buoys for our moorings, which can VERY EASILY be damaged by uncaring RYA taught lasooers.

You are talking nonsense.

As I said, when did you last burst a fender. Just how **** are these easily damaged buoys. Or perhaps they are just a figment of your imagination.

And I started lassoing long before I did any RYA courses. Because it makes sense.
 
No, it shows a complete lack of seamanship, and I think you know it does.

It also shows a complete disregard for other peoples property.

Is that what the RYA teaches?
 
No, it shows a complete lack of seamanship, and I think you know it does.

It also shows a complete disregard for other peoples property.

Is that what the RYA teaches?

Well we aren't. going to agree.

Lassoing and then getting a turn round a cleat ensures there is never a force pulling a person laterally, only vertically. This is safe.

I think safe = good seamanship.

Beats me what you think is, other than what you do. You probably get your crew to leap off when coming alongside too because you haven't taught them to lassoo.

No one gets off my boat until it's tied up. Safest and easiest is best in my opinion. But as I say we arn't going to agree.
 
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