Blue card scheme extended to all Turkish waters?

Good. What's the problem?
Knickers have been in a twist about this for years now . It can only be an improvement.
Does anyone have first hand experience of being fined ?
 
jamesmar said:
Good. What's the problem?
Knickers have been in a twist about this for years now . It can only be an improvement.
Does anyone have first hand experience of being fined ?
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no fines but lots of "interrogation" if you have a Blue card get plenty of records on it - is the advice.

incidentally we thought the blue card was a passive device - its not it has an RF chip in it and it connects with the main data base in Ankara via an RF reader on a local networked PC - just thought you might like to know that. The grey suits in Ankara analyse the data.
 
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Extension of scheme was to be expected I think - especially as marine industry failed to take any strong lead on self regulation. Q now is whether/how soon other countries will follow. Should sailing organisations adopt a 3 mile offshore min limit for black water discharge in countries where no local regulation? Would think all responsible sailors would practice this anyway but self reg on black water may pre-empt regulation which also covers grey water - this I suspect would be much more of a restriction.
 
I suspect that most of us largely approve of the Turkish measures whilst being critical of some of the dafter detail.

As an example, one morning a few weeks ago the other half was very gently washing a few stains off the topsides whilst the boat was in the yard. She perhaps used 20 litres of water, tops. Then along came a group of environment types (official, but from what agency I don't know) and told her to stop for fear of washing all sorts of nasties into the harbour. Any of the nasties that caused them such angst had either fallen out of the sky or been trodden aboard from the yard to which they were being returned.

This was just hours after an apocalyptic deluge which, by my estimation, dumped around 4000 litres of water on the decks.
 
Hi Mac..certainly never been an issue at Yatlift Like you we have had the occasional biblical downpour which empties all sorts of stuff into the sea.
 
liverpool said:
Extension of scheme was to be expected I think - especially as marine industry failed to take any strong lead on self regulation. Q now is whether/how soon other countries will follow. Should sailing organisations adopt a 3 mile offshore min limit for black water discharge in countries where no local regulation? Would think all responsible sailors would practice this anyway but self reg on black water may pre-empt regulation which also covers grey water - this I suspect would be much more of a restriction.[/

Black tank waste is food as far as fish are concerned , it's only we humans who have a problem with it.
I agree that some consideration is required when choosing the place to empty your tank and on this point I agree that the Turks had a positive motive in establishing their scheme. As for other countries following the Turkish lead. Waste from boats is merely a drop in the ocean compared with the waste that is dumped into the sea from land based sources. Whilst on the subject of waste, sadly the best view of the local refuse dump is often to be found from the sea. We've seen many otherwise beautiful bays spoiled by a cascade of domestic refuse.
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The main problem with the Mavi Kart scheme that I have come across is the scarcity of pump out facilities. Bosburan is a joke with their "virtual pump out" (you pay your 10TL, they update the database but no actual facility). At Datcha they can only accommodate you if you have your own extraction pump and hose (hand up all those who carry that kit). Finike is very expensive at around 18 Euro (yes, Euro) - but Gocek is good (and free!).
 
Datca will do a virtual pump out as well. The harbour master processed my card, and when I asked him where the pump out facility was,he waved his hand in the general direction of Greece.
 
homer said:
The main problem with the Mavi Kart scheme that I have come across is the scarcity of pump out facilities. Bosburan is a joke with their "virtual pump out" (you pay your 10TL, they update the database but no actual facility). At Datcha they can only accommodate you if you have your own extraction pump and hose (hand up all those who carry that kit). Finike is very expensive at around 18 Euro (yes, Euro) - but Gocek is good (and free!).
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so as far the analysts in Ankara are concerned its Garbage In Garbage Out . . . .
 
Liverpool "Black tank waste is food as far as fish are concerned , it's only we humans who have a problem with it.
I agree that some consideration is required when choosing the place to empty your tank and on this point I agree that the Turks had a positive motive in establishing their scheme. As for other countries following the Turkish lead. Waste from boats is merely a drop in the ocean compared with the waste that is dumped into the sea from land based sources. Whilst on the subject of waste, sadly the best view of the local refuse dump is often to be found from the sea. We've seen many otherwise beautiful bays spoiled by a cascade of domestic refuse."

Whilst many might agree, the problem in some of the more secluded bays where there are no signs of human habitation shore side, is that there are not enough fish . . .
 
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Black tank waste is food as far as fish are concerned , it's only we humans who have a problem with it.
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Its not just humans, the sea close to shore has great difficulty assimilating the waste which has an impact on all undersea life . If it was the ambrosia for fish that you suggest we would be connecting the sewer pipes on land directly into the fish farms and be encouraged to discharge our black tanks at these farms.
 
Marsupial said:
Black tank waste is food as far as fish are concerned , it's only we humans who have a problem with it.
I agree that some consideration is required when choosing the place to empty your tank and on this point I agree that the Turks had a positive motive in establishing their scheme. As for other countries following the Turkish lead. Waste from boats is merely a drop in the ocean compared with the waste that is dumped into the sea from land based sources. Whilst on the subject of waste, sadly the best view of the local refuse dump is often to be found from the sea. We've seen many otherwise beautiful bays spoiled by a cascade of domestic refuse.

Whilst many might agree, the problem in some of the more secluded bays where there are no signs of human habitation shore side, is that there are not enough fish . . .
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I can substantiate your claim Marsupial, and agree black tank waste is great food for fish and even better for shell fish. After many years trawling and dredging in the Thames estuary, we discovered a huge cockle bed out on the Middle Sunk sand bank. Normally you would only ever find good yielding cockle beds close to river outfalls and other areas high in nutrients. This sandbank had the highest yield of the largest cockles I have ever seen They were the size of golf balls, with an amazing meat yield too. There is one reason for this fantastic yield: out of the Thames would steam, as we called them, the poo boats. They would empty just west of the Middle Sunk and return to port for a new load.

This practice changed in the 1990s and the cockle beds died out.
 
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