Bloody French! (S C A L L O P S)

[3571]

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-and-fr...rench-fisherman-attack-british-boats-11484706

According to a Brixham fisherman interviewd on Sky, this took place 40 miles off French coast, with a French Naval vessel doing F' all.

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]i don't remember anybody mentioning 40 miles, I did hear however somebody saying the French have a 12 mile limit, and the English fisherman claiming they were 14 miles off did I hear this incorrectly?

I believe it was indeed outside the French 12 mile limit, the French naval vessel apparently refused to intervene as "the incident was happening in International waters" which is more than a tad ironic.

 

[alant]

No, it is not made by the government but by the owners of the quota - that is the fishermen themselves who have decided itv is in their best interests to take the money rather than actually go fishing. Part of this is because most of the demand for the seafood is in other countries, particularly France and Spain. come down to Poole or Brixham/Plymouth and watch the daily line of trucks (some having come from Scotland) on their way over the channel taking seafood caught in UK waters.

Then go out and try and buy squid, langoustines, lobster, spider crab scallops, cuttlefish, whelks, brill, megrim, sole, pollack etc in a UK high street.

Recent report said the French & everyone else in the EU, were fishing Blue Fin Tuna off our shores. Apparently British fishermen do not have any licence to catch these. Even Malta can, but not us.

 

[Daydream believer]

Then go out and try and buy squid, langoustines, lobster, spider crab scallops, cuttlefish, whelks, brill, megrim, sole, pollack etc in a UK high street.

But then I don't want to!!.Neither does Sharon, Tracy & the kids from the estate. Probably why Mac fisheries jacked it in

 

[Daydream believer]

While we are on about scallops, was there not an argument between the British & Danish fishermen, whereby the British were complaining that the Danish were plundering the scallops along the North sea. This was from an area where the Salmon feed ( they need the scallops) on their way to the Scottish waters to breed. Seems to me that, if I am correct, it could be a case of the pot calling the kettle black

 

[3571]

While we are on about scallops, was there not an argument between the British & Danish fishermen, whereby the British were complaining that the Danish were plundering the scallops along the North sea. This was from an area where the Salmon feed ( they need the scallops) on their way to the Scottish waters to breed. Seems to me that, if I am correct, it could be a case of the pot calling the kettle black

New one on me, i've never heard of any Danish scallop fishery or salmon eating scallops for that, do you have a link or suchlike?

There is the case in the Irish Sea where there is a closed season for scallops applying to UK vessels while other EU nations can and do fish for them outside the 12 mile limit (but still in the closed area). If the UK fleet followed the actions of the French on this I am fairly sure they would be arrested pronto and the book thrown at them.

 

[fisherman]

Recent report said the French & everyone else in the EU, were fishing Blue Fin Tuna off our shores. Apparently British fishermen do not have any licence to catch these. Even Malta can, but not us.

True. When it comes to future quota allocation track records come into consideration. For instance, the French routinely overstated their take of channel cod and so were given the lion's share: if I overstated my catch I would quickly find myself explaining things to the tax man.

 

[fisherman]

But then I don't want to!!.Neither does Sharon, Tracy & the kids from the estate. Probably why Mac fisheries jacked it in

Absolutely, and that's why the government feels free to use fishing as a negotiation chip, and why the French are so keen for this to happen.

 

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Re: Bloody French!

Those sustainably harvesting Shellfishermen re-seed the sea many times a day, they return to the sea sometimes large numbers of animals under the Minimum Landing Size. Combined with very impressive survival rates this means a regular harvest in the very same places year in and year out....it doesn't get any more re-seedy than that.

Not really re-seeding or tending a crop is it? They just put back what they don't want.

It's more akin to hunting than farming.

 

[3571]

Re: Bloody French!

Not really re-seeding or tending a crop is it? They just put back what they don't want.

It's more akin to hunting than farming.

They are definitely hunters for sure,

There are bits and bobs of actual re-seeding do go on at times in some locations, so yes they are a bit like farmers as well.

 

[steve yates]

Gazumping is rare and only occurs when demand exceeds supply. In some circumstances it works the other way when it is the seller demands a premium at the point of contract exchaning. it is impossible to change the system when most buyers are not in a position to proceed using their own money but are reliant on others who are unwilling to commit without carrying out all the checks to protect their own interests.

The problem with public housing is that taxpayers in general are required to subsidise the housing costs of tenants. While we have a society based on property rights as ours has been for centuries it is politically impossible to interfere with the market.

Owning property is not an obsession for most, it is a normal reaction to living in a market economy where land and housing is a scarce resource.

I don't think it is rare, that would make it an isolated event. It does not happen in Scotland, which has a different property purchasing system to England, yet they are relying on the same borrowed money. Very simplified, when an offer is made and accepted, it is binding. The seller cannot take a better offer if it comes along before exchange.

Public housing worked quite well, councils basically had a land bank of housing stock with rents in perpetuity, which were an income stream, over and above paying the capital costs back. It would be difficult to do now perhaps with current pricing, which was fuelled by the forced sell off of council houses, at vast discounts.

We'll have to agree to disagree I think on this, and get back to scallops.

 

[Tranona]

I don't think it is rare, that would make it an isolated event. It does not happen in Scotland, which has a different property purchasing system to England, yet they are relying on the same borrowed money. Very simplified, when an offer is made and accepted, it is binding. The seller cannot take a better offer if it comes along before exchange.

Public housing worked quite well, councils basically had a land bank of housing stock with rents in perpetuity, which were an income stream, over and above paying the capital costs back. It would be difficult to do now perhaps with current pricing, which was fuelled by the forced sell off of council houses, at vast discounts.

We'll have to agree to disagree I think on this, and get back to scallops.

Yes, will disagree. Rare in statistical terms given the number of housing transactions that take place. Yes, Scotland is different but that does not mean it is necessarily better.

Would be more convinced about public housing efficiency if I saw less of it needing to be demolished after less than 30 years and rents set to reflect market rates.

Enjoyed my scallops last night - but don't know where they came from (apart from Tescos!)

 

[WoodyP]

My experience of the fishing fleet is that they compete against each other to get every last thing they can , be it fish or shellfish. No thought for the future or the environment. Like MPs they think truth is flexible.

 

[BalticMan]

This situation is just stupid. I understand business is business and politics is politics. But still there should be no violence and rudeness. Or am I too optimistic here? I have a yacht and I have 2 houses in UK and France which I bought long time ago through Tranio and I cruise in between 2 countries with friends and in the past months it's becoming more tense...