pvb
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185 days in a year is just over 50%, and that's enough for "ordinarily".
Bill of Sale, and Agonies of Indecision -- Part 1 or SSR ?
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185 days in a year is just over 50%, and that's enough for "ordinarily".
Kukri
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What follows may seem pedantic but it’s clear to me that very many people don’t really understand the registration of vessels.
We all know that title to land in Britain and in many other countries derives from the register, unless the land in question has not changed hands since compulsory registration was brought in for the area in question (very unlikely except in the case of crown and church lands) in which case it must be registered on the next transfer.
This system of title derived from the register rather than from a chain of documents going back to when the land was first granted by the Crown is called the Torrens system and was first developed in Australia by Sir Robert Torrens who got the idea from the British system of ship registration.
Torrens title - Wikipedia
It was introduced in Australia in 1856 and Britain caught up in the 1920s. About 85% of land in England is registered - land owned by the Crown, the Church of England and our remaining aristocracy usually isn’t because it has never changed hands.
( Joseph Conrad’s favourite ship was a full rigged passenger clipper named the ‘Torrens’ after Sir Robert Torrens.)
In the eyes of the law, a ship is a small lump of land that has broken off and floated away. Ships and boats are real property.
A ship or boat on the Part One Register is the only sort of vessel whose title is beyond dispute.
Any other sort of vessel, including any boat on the Part Three Register, (the SSR) is a chattel, and the only way to prove to a buyer that you own it is to have a complete chain of title through bills of sale and receipts. The Part Three Register is not intended to show ownership; it is merely to show nationality. Part One does both.
We all know that title to land in Britain and in many other countries derives from the register, unless the land in question has not changed hands since compulsory registration was brought in for the area in question (very unlikely except in the case of crown and church lands) in which case it must be registered on the next transfer.
This system of title derived from the register rather than from a chain of documents going back to when the land was first granted by the Crown is called the Torrens system and was first developed in Australia by Sir Robert Torrens who got the idea from the British system of ship registration.
Torrens title - Wikipedia
It was introduced in Australia in 1856 and Britain caught up in the 1920s. About 85% of land in England is registered - land owned by the Crown, the Church of England and our remaining aristocracy usually isn’t because it has never changed hands.
( Joseph Conrad’s favourite ship was a full rigged passenger clipper named the ‘Torrens’ after Sir Robert Torrens.)
In the eyes of the law, a ship is a small lump of land that has broken off and floated away. Ships and boats are real property.
A ship or boat on the Part One Register is the only sort of vessel whose title is beyond dispute.
Any other sort of vessel, including any boat on the Part Three Register, (the SSR) is a chattel, and the only way to prove to a buyer that you own it is to have a complete chain of title through bills of sale and receipts. The Part Three Register is not intended to show ownership; it is merely to show nationality. Part One does both.
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Little Dorrit
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I have a chain of receipts but the original one is a photocopy of the original bill of sale showing VAT paid and other official looking stuff like import stamps hull number etc. Is this sufficient or would a photocopy not be acceptable?
Kukri
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That should allow you to register her on the Part One Register if you can go at least 12 years back. The rules have been relaxed a bit in recent years.
Little Dorrit
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That's reassuring, the original (photocopied Bill of Sale) was 1984 overseas to Germany.
Little Dorrit
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I like the idea that I have "a small lump of land that has broken off and floated away..."
duncan99210
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The outline conditions and costs for both Part 1 and Part 111 are as here Register a boat.
The proof of ownership for Part 1is now only 5 years instead of the 12 mentioned by Kukri.
The proof of ownership for Part 1is now only 5 years instead of the 12 mentioned by Kukri.