dunedin
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Wow, that was another 9 months out of commission in major maintenance. Plus the time at either end to decommission / de arm and recommission re-arm. The percentage utilisation of assets must be tiny.
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14K478
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Add “working up”…
How very different to merchant ships, where we reckon half a day in dry dock per month of 24/7 operation, (15 days every 30 months) and officers hand over to their reliefs in a couple of days. Yes, I know warships are more complicated, but I have been shown over a few, and they are not thirty times more complicated.
I will now take cover from the incoming barrage!
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dunedin
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No barrage incoming - the launchers are currently undergoing maintenance….
I will now take cover from the incoming barrage!
SaltyC
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You got a couple of Days??? If lucky 4 hours, if done 'passing' boat brought reliefs out, you got 15 mins and boat took them ashore! Sort it out.Add “working up”…
How very different to merchant ships, where we reckon half a day in dry dock per month of 24/7 operation, and officers hand over to their reliefs in a couple of days. Yes, I know warships are more complicated, but I have been shown over a few, and they are not thirty times more complicated.
I will now take cover from the incoming barrage!
The RN and RFA appear to run to the yard for any little problem. Need skilled engineers on board.
14K478
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The “Singapore OPL Special!”
capnsensible
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Well they will have kept you away from anything important.Add “working up”…
How very different to merchant ships, where we reckon half a day in dry dock per month of 24/7 operation, (15 days every 30 months) and officers hand over to their reliefs in a couple of days. Yes, I know warships are more complicated, but I have been shown over a few, and they are not thirty times more complicated.
I will now take cover from the incoming barrage!
Warship Captains hand over in a couple of hours. Heads of a Weapons and Marine Engineering departments less than a day.
And yeah, they are vastly more complicated than a box with a pointy bit at the front and a couple of diesel donks at the back.
14K478
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Thanks for the beer you just won for me!Well they will have kept you away from anything important.
Warship Captains hand over in a couple of hours. Heads of a Weapons and Marine Engineering departments less than a day.
And yeah, they are vastly more complicated than a box with a pointy bit at the front and a couple of diesel donks at the back.
I’d predicted your first and third paragraph, but I admit I missed the second paragraph.
Cheers!
14K478
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I’m certainly up for a serious discussion on the differences between merchant ship and warship design and construction rather than point scoring.
Both warships and merchant ships carry smaller crews than they did fifty years ago. I’m interested in making routine maintenance easier and making ships safer. It surely ought to be possible for warships to spend more time operating.
There are good things on both sides - for instance warships have centre wheel locking weathertight doors, which are a bit more expensive but far easier to use, while merchant ships have far fewer small items exposed to weather made of mild steel - an Asian built ship will use stainless steel and a European one may well have bronze where a warship has mild steel.
British yards have been bad at thinking about making maintenance easy when building merchant ships, as compared to Japanese, Korean and Chinese yards, and I bet this hasn’t changed with the warships that they are still building today.
Both warships and merchant ships carry smaller crews than they did fifty years ago. I’m interested in making routine maintenance easier and making ships safer. It surely ought to be possible for warships to spend more time operating.
There are good things on both sides - for instance warships have centre wheel locking weathertight doors, which are a bit more expensive but far easier to use, while merchant ships have far fewer small items exposed to weather made of mild steel - an Asian built ship will use stainless steel and a European one may well have bronze where a warship has mild steel.
British yards have been bad at thinking about making maintenance easy when building merchant ships, as compared to Japanese, Korean and Chinese yards, and I bet this hasn’t changed with the warships that they are still building today.
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14K478
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Not all merchant ships are much simpler than warships. A DP dive ship for example is a very complicated, relatively small, ship.
lustyd
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Personally I prefer our Navy ships to sit unused. Peace was much nicer than all this readyness nonsense just because a couple of nutters want war.
Lots of maintenance and exercises keep our people and ships ready enough.
SaltyC
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Agree with 2nd sentence, however the old saying 'Harbours rit ships and men' is still true, maybe not as wood rot but the machinery is better doing what it was designed fir than sitting idle, the staff then are more familiar with its operation and its idiosyncracies.
The Navy ships would be far better out and about flying the flag and being seen (although for some of tge designs outside tge tropics so tge engines work
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lustyd
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They don’t sit in port, the carriers regularly move about, often to Scotland 
capnsensible
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Irresistible. How's your yacht going?Thanks for the beer you just won for me!
I’d predicted your first and third paragraph, but I admit I missed the second paragraph.
14K478
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I’m about to put back the last bit of the electronics fit that the JSASTC ripped out when they sold her to me - the Icom M801E. Still fighting the weird wiring - Paul Rainbow knows!
You would think that a 54ft boat would have somewhere to stow a rigid dinghy on deck… but no!
But she is a glorious boat to sail.
capnsensible
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Nice that it's all getting close to the finish.I’m about to put back the last bit of the electronics fit that the JSASTC ripped out when they sold her to me - the Icom M801E. Still fighting the weird wiring - Paul Rainbow knows!
You would think that a 54ft boat would have somewhere to stow a rigid dinghy on deck… but no!
But she is a glorious boat to sail.
Probably the nicest class of yacht I've ever sailed. Built in an era when there was no skimping in construction!
14K478
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I don’t know about finished…
I agree - the nicest boat I have ever sailed. Beautifully built, to plans from a really great designer, and then completely rebuilt at the age of 25!
S04
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I assume we're talking about the Nic 55 in which case I'd agree with your last comment.
I crewed Chaser for a two-week shakedown when she was handed over to new the RN, must have been 1975? A mixture of racing and cruising in the Western Isles in some very fruity weather. Great memories.
I was hoisted up the mast in Oban, she didn't look that big from up there!
14K478
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Here she is, just laid up in Trinidad so Simon who owns her can get back to the day job (superyacht C/E):
The Q
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I spent a week on HMSTY Racer, just in the Channel. After a couple of days no one else wanted to helm so I enjoyed it from then on..
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14K478
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Simon sent me these snaps of Dasher, the last one still in the Forces:
