Best way of removing old rotten foam backed headliner residue?

greggron said:
From experience, getting the old foam residue off. First wire brush attachment in drill, then any remaining with acetone.
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When I removed foam-backed vinyl from ply headlining panels, I found that the last remains of adhesive were removable with white spirit and a wallpaper-type scraper. Messy job, but off the boat.
 
GrahamM376 said:
Discussed this method with Hawke House and they were of the opinion that the s/a adhesive may well fail in Med temperatures. (in far less than 10 years).
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I have done my whole boat (Westerly Oceanlord). When I bought her she had had some replaced with a later version of lining with a gause surface. This all came down in 2 years of Med sunshine and was actually rotten too.

I would NOT use the foam back vinyl and certainly not the impact adhesives. Instead I buy (from Hawke house a firm white 6 mm thick foam. That is stuck to the GRP using STicks Like Shit, and then the cleaned up vinyl (which lasts for ever) is then stuck back up to the white foam.

Have plenty of pairs of disposable gloves at hand when doing this to avoid getting the sticks like shit over the vinyl. The advantage of not using an impact adhesive is that the foam and vinyl can be slid into position. Where possible apply the glue to the foam and vinyl when it is flat on a base and then offer up to the roof. (less mess)

The stuff that I did in 2008 is still up, but the first stuff I did with Hawk Houses SAF111 all came down - thanks to the heat of the med.

When cleaning up the vinyl surface do NOT use and aggressive solvent as it will remove any colour in the vinyl. Hawke House recommend Glyns Vinyl cleaner.
 
Chris_Robb said:
I have done my whole boat (Westerly Oceanlord). When I bought her she had had some replaced with a later version of lining with a gause surface. This all came down in 2 years of Med sunshine and was actually rotten too.

I would NOT use the foam back vinyl and certainly not the impact adhesives. Instead I buy (from Hawke house a firm white 6 mm thick foam. That is stuck to the GRP using STicks Like Shit, and then the cleaned up vinyl (which lasts for ever) is then stuck back up to the white foam.

Have plenty of pairs of disposable gloves at hand when doing this to avoid getting the sticks like shit over the vinyl. The advantage of not using an impact adhesive is that the foam and vinyl can be slid into position. Where possible apply the glue to the foam and vinyl when it is flat on a base and then offer up to the roof. (less mess)

The stuff that I did in 2008 is still up, but the first stuff I did with Hawk Houses SAF111 all came down - thanks to the heat of the med.

When cleaning up the vinyl surface do NOT use and aggressive solvent as it will remove any colour in the vinyl. Hawke House recommend Glyns Vinyl cleaner.
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Allow me to ask you ( because I find parts of your post confusing) the following questions :~

(a) Do you keep your Oceanlord permanently in the Med ?

(b) You mention that what you did in 2008 is still up - is this the 6mm foam from Hawke house stuck with Sticks Like Shit ?

(c) Is the 6mm foam you obtained from Hawke House porous both sides or is it sealed with a skin both sides ?

I would very much appreciate your reply, not only on my behalf but on behalf of all other owners bedevilled by Westerly Droop. I have a Sealord 39 due for refurbishment.

Thanks in advance.
 
VO5 said:
Allow me to ask you ( because I find parts of your post confusing) the following questions :~

(a) Do you keep your Oceanlord permanently in the Med ?

(b) You mention that what you did in 2008 is still up - is this the 6mm foam from Hawke house stuck with Sticks Like Shit ?

(c) Is the 6mm foam you obtained from Hawke House porous both sides or is it sealed with a skin both sides ?

I would very much appreciate your reply, not only on my behalf but on behalf of all other owners bedevilled by Westerly Droop. I have a Sealord 39 due for refurbishment.

Thanks in advance.
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(a) Do you keep your Oceanlord permanently in the Med ? - YES

(b) You mention that what you did in 2008 is still up - is this the 6mm foam from Hawke house stuck with Sticks Like Shit ?- That is the 6 mm white foam. with sticks like shit.

(c) Is the 6mm foam you obtained from Hawke House porous both sides or is it sealed with a skin both sides ? It is smooth each side. They also do a self sticking one in black which comes with a tear off surface on the glued side, I have some of that but have not used it, as I dont trust rubberised glues in the heat.

I have one area left to do - which was done previously in 2007 with foam back vinyl and SAF111 which is all useless with the foam disintegrating already! I am going to try Grip fill at £1.70 a tube instead of £6.50. STicks like shit will not break down in water, but then my boat is dry so perhaps it is unnecessarily good.

Its a tedious job, but you really dont have to get the old surface to be clean as a whistle. All I did was wire brush the area and have not had any sticking issues. Same with the Vinyl - just wire brushed it - no problems. it makes a complete mess so remove as much from the boat as possible and have a good hoover (a Henry) beside you at all times. I tend to tackle one descrete area at a session, and then come back for more months later - its not such an awful job then!

Are you off to the Med?
 
Chris_Robb said:
They also do a self sticking one in black which comes with a tear off surface on the glued side, I have some of that but have not used it, as I dont trust rubberised glues in the heat. [/B]
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Hawke House don't trust it either in Med heat but, I used some of their self adhesive carpet on grp in hanging lockers and on ply locker shelves and it is still stuck hard even after many years of 40+ temperatures. Maybe a different adhesive or, it could be because there are no migrating plasticisers from vinyl to degrade it.

http://www.hawkehouse.co.uk/linings/self-adhesive-linings/p80-cream-self-adhesive-carpet-lining.html

Have wondered about using it as replacement for cabin linings as others have done but not sure, it's not quite Moody style:)
 
For removal I used a cheap powered scraper bought from Aldi in combination with an electric drill driven wire brush and a lot of foul language...
My clever and talented wife stitched up the new lining and together armed with solvent abuse grade Evostick we got the new stuff back on. Do not use euro eco friendly contact adhesive, it is useless.Either leave a lot of hatches open and take frequent fresh air breaks or be prepared for some interesting conversations with fun people who may or may not be there......
 
Chris_Robb said:
(a) Do you keep your Oceanlord permanently in the Med ? - YES

(b) You mention that what you did in 2008 is still up - is this the 6mm foam from Hawke house stuck with Sticks Like Shit ?- That is the 6 mm white foam. with sticks like shit.

(c) Is the 6mm foam you obtained from Hawke House porous both sides or is it sealed with a skin both sides ? It is smooth each side. They also do a self sticking one in black which comes with a tear off surface on the glued side, I have some of that but have not used it, as I dont trust rubberised glues in the heat.

I have one area left to do - which was done previously in 2007 with foam back vinyl and SAF111 which is all useless with the foam disintegrating already! I am going to try Grip fill at £1.70 a tube instead of £6.50. STicks like shit will not break down in water, but then my boat is dry so perhaps it is unnecessarily good.

Its a tedious job, but you really dont have to get the old surface to be clean as a whistle. All I did was wire brush the area and have not had any sticking issues. Same with the Vinyl - just wire brushed it - no problems. it makes a complete mess so remove as much from the boat as possible and have a good hoover (a Henry) beside you at all times. I tend to tackle one descrete area at a session, and then come back for more months later - its not such an awful job then!

Are you off to the Med?
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Thanks for your detailed reply, it is very helpful.
I AM in the Med. I am resident in Gibraltar.
Next time in port do get in touch, I will buy you a beer.:encouragement:
 
A load of ours came down last night, have to say it looks grim, the OH has cleaned it all up, what I would like to do is paint it as a stop gap then attend to properly in the winter, any do's and dont's on type of paint? Household Matt etc?
 
Carmel2 said:
A load of ours came down last night, have to say it looks grim, the OH has cleaned it all up, what I would like to do is paint it as a stop gap then attend to properly in the winter, any do's and dont's on type of paint? Household Matt etc?
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I am not sure that painting is best. At the very least you will have to do a perfect preparation of the surface removing all traces of glue. Then you will have to paint - messy over head. Then the glue may not stick as well to the paint...... I would just clean up and leave it.

If you go for a decent foam - and save your vinyl, you would be surprised at the amount of heat stopped from entering the boat over the standard thin vinyl foam (which wont last 5 year in the med, from experience).

So - take the easy option - clean the surfaces of the boat, clean the vinyl, roll it up and store it till you have the foam. Do not use impact rubberised adhesives in the med - they give up.
 
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