Best place to source stainless steel anchor chain

I have done some abrasion testing of a variety of zinc coatings on chain.

All I do is hang short lengths of chain, 300mm, from a piece of galvanised reinforcing bar and hang the bar off the transom of our cat. The tides are 2m and I ensure the length is such that the chains being tested are always touching the surface of the seabed. The seabed is silica sand.

After 6 weeks many of the samples have worn the gal right through to the bare steel underneath.

So - 6 weeks continuous abrasion on sand can remove gal.

This is obviously a more severe environment than any anchor chain will suffer. Anyone who uses their chain as a liveaboard - getting years of life is a decent result - but you are not going to get 'decades' - that's a pipedream.

Some coatings are more abrasion resistant than others, whether some of these are by chance or luck - I don't know. Some gal coatings are a bit thin, again whether this is by chance or built in obsolesce, don't know. But given that the gal life dictates chain life it is surprising that chain makers do not include gal thickness as part of their specification they quote to customers.

The gal does offer protection, other than reducing corrosion. It is harder than the underlying steel and weight loss on bare chain is higher than weight loss of gal - I'd check the thickness of the chain (both for the long and the crowns, where one link rubs another) near the anchor end for your stainless, as it is soft, and compare it with the 'bitter' end (windlass end) as the bitter end will have 'seen' less seabed. You want to look at say 10m from the anchor, as the bit of chain at the anchor should not move much (unless you drag your anchor every time you deploy :)

Jonathan

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My guess is you don't, or did not, use the gal portion that much - but it did sit in the bottom of the locker. If the yacht is based in the Med the locker is warm and damp and the dampness is all seawater. An unloved chain will corrode, check white rust on google, even if you don't use it. Ideally you want to wash the chain down with freshwater, stick the hose in the locker every time you wash the deck (or it rains), and then keep the locker dry - open the locker cover as often as possible. If you lay the yacht up for winter - take the chain out, wash with fresh water and hang up to 'dry', Vyv hangs his off lines attached to his cradle.

And remove mud. Mud often contained anaerobic organisms that 'exude' sulphur compounds that convert to sulphuric acid - which eat gal for breakfast. You can 'smell' the mud. Very common in historic harbours.

Anchor lockers are simply the space that cannot be used for accomodation and almost perfectly designed to ensure chain life is minimised. Tiny drain holes often leaving a festering puddle in the locker base.

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My only comment about the hardness test is that 8.8 is probably on the hard side as a comparator for 316. A 4.6 bolt would be better although I don't know how accurately they are produced. Best test might be a magnet, duplex will be attracted, 316 not.

Magnetism is the way to go! Simple

Jonathan
 
I believe what the owner of the boat said about the chain not the negative posts. As proven here: Crevice corrosion refers to the attack of metal surfaces by a stagnant solution in crevices, for example around the edges of nuts and rivet heads. When dust, sand and other corrosive substances are deposited on surfaces, they create an environment where water will accumulate and corrode the part.
 
I believe what the owner of the boat said about the chain not the negative posts. As proven here: Crevice corrosion refers to the attack of metal surfaces by a stagnant solution in crevices, for example around the edges of nuts and rivet heads. When dust, sand and other corrosive substances are deposited on surfaces, they create an environment where water will accumulate and corrode the part.

Your second sentence is correct. There is no magic about it, it is 'crevice' as defined in the dictionary. Your next sentence is nonsense. There are no crevices in chain.
 
I believe what the owner of the boat said about the chain not the negative posts. As proven here: Crevice corrosion refers to the attack of metal surfaces by a stagnant solution in crevices, for example around the edges of nuts and rivet heads. When dust, sand and other corrosive substances are deposited on surfaces, they create an environment where water will accumulate and corrode the part.

It's completley typical that you'd take the view of someone you happened to bump into rather than the authority on the subject who responded to your earlier post. And if you are going to lift something you found on the internet (which you don't actually seem to understand), please post a link.
 
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When dust, sand and other corrosive substances are deposited on surfaces, they create an environment where water will accumulate and corrode the part.
I think the type of corrosion you are describing is more correctly termed “Poultice Corrosion”.
 
You might find it cheaper and better all round to replace your existing chain with one piece of galvanised chain. I recently bought 80m x 8mm chain from Piraeus for just over €200. Delivery was from memory less than €20.
 
I was in Piraeus about 2 years ago and there was a chandlery on the water front, facing the marinas, who was a distributor for Rocna and stocked CMP Titan chain. Sorry I cannot be more specific about location - I never thought it would be relevant :( . Titan chain is made in China but is (or has been when I tested it) good quality, well over strength in common with most Chinese chain, but tends to be priced higher than unbranded chain from China. They offer G30 and G40. Lofrens are also marketing chain now, have been for a couple of years now, I think it too comes from China - it might have changed but initially they only sold a G40 quality. If you find a Lofrens distributor they might carry chain (seems logical :) ). This is all gal chain - and does nothing to answer your initial query - where to buy stainless chain?!

It merits comment - most people still use G30 chain (subjective comment and I stand to be corrected) and reports of chain failure have been non-existent for a number of years. For some reason Americans are moving toward their G43 and it is becoming the default size there for gypsies and this trend does seem to be migrating to Europe where Lofrens were not selling a G30 (this might have changed) and Maggi only sold G40 (and G70).

Jonathan
 
My query would be:

'assuming the decent weld job'

I don't know about stainless chain but gal chain is commonly continuously Proof Tested (2 x WLL) during production and batch tested for break strength (and, as mentioned, chain failure is like hens teeth). Suddenly the chain is subject to the strength of one weld. I'd be twitchy, very - but maybe someone who knows more about welding than me (not very difficult :) ) can comment from a more educated background.

If it were me - I might be persuaded - but I'd Proof Test the weld - but I have negotiated a bulk deal for chain testing but 'normal' testing is expensive.

Jonathan
 
If you can point me to any ferritic or martensitic stainless steel chain I would be most grateful.

Of course I can’t! But I think you have perhaps missed my point - a magnet is a good test FOR CHAIN. It’s not a good test on “stainless”, generally. Your reputation as this forum’s resident metallurgist and guru is such that someone might misunderstand what you wrote and think that they could use the magnet generally.
 
Of course I can’t! But I think you have perhaps missed my point - a magnet is a good test FOR CHAIN. It’s not a good test on “stainless”, generally. Your reputation as this forum’s resident metallurgist and guru is such that someone might misunderstand what you wrote and think that they could use the magnet generally.

That is not what I wrote. I said that duplex would be attracted and 316 not. I find nothing wrong with that. You widened the topic in order to try to discredit me.
 
Two things I forgot to mention was SS chain boat owner was a liveaboard and the chain broke a broke year after he first used it

There is plenty of poor stainless chain on the market. YM printed a photo of some with holes in the welds that wires could be poked into. Nothing to do with corrosion of any sort, just a rubbish product. Voltage control in manufacture seems a likely cause. Looking round Greek boatyards I have seen plenty I would not be happy with.
 
The only failure I have heard of where the chain and broken link was retrieved - thus reliable account was a gal chain and a poor weld made in Europe from a reputable supplier. I did not understand how it got through their Proof Test. The manufacturer accepted full responsibility and replaced the chain. The manufacturer was later taken over by one of Europe's best lifting chain suppliers.

There are other accounts of chain failure - from over 10 years ago, nothing recent, but it is unclear if the chain was old (or not) nor where it came from.

Good and reliable stainless chain is very expensive. Cheap stainless look as gorgeous as expensive stainless and good looks are thought to be indicative of quality. Sadly this has no basis.

Jonathan
 
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