Best Knot to attach a halyard

[hurley]

Hi What is the best knot for securing a halyard, for those of us that are unable to splice ?

And... how to tie it ?

Thanks Nick

 

[ShipsWoofy]

sew and whip around a thimble

 

[roly_voya]

Or for temp fixing a round turn and 1/2 fishermans then tape the ends together

 

[ShipsWoofy]

Agreed, but he sort of insinuated in place of a splice.

I have still not managed a successful splice in braid and so sew the loop and put a whipping over the top. I am quite comfortable with the strength and will only stop doing that when I am happy that my attempts at splicing has not destroyed the rope.

 

[exfinnsailor]

Put a figure of 8 knot in the Halyard . Then make a loop in Halyard pass through cringe in sail bring figure of 8 knot over top and through loop you have just created pull Halyard .. Also easy to get undone .. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Abigail]

We use a buntline hitch with the ends whipped together. This is the knot used on the old square riggers and will stand a lot of movement as well as being strong under load and when going from under load to relaxed (when a bowline is very unreliable).

 

[Thistle]

A halyard knot perhaps?

 

[VicS]

For a small boat:

Tie a stopper knot (despite what others may say that's a simple figure of eight to me) in the end of the halyard. Stitch and whip a loop of something a bit lighter to the halyard so that the tip of the loop is just a tiny bit short of the knot.

Push the loop through the cringle in the sail and the knotted end of the halyard through the loop.

If the sail cringle is large enough to take it double then use the same stuff for the loop as for the halyard.

No shackles to lose and no hard eye either.

Superb for a sheet onto a head sail as well. But here you make a loop in the centre of the sheet and stitch and whip on a sort piece with a knot in it. To use again its the loop of sheet through the cringle and the knotted tail through the eye. No shackle or hard eye to whack you in the face.

Strongly recommend both for a small boat.

 

[William_H]

I use a simple bowline for jib and spin halyard. No it has never come undone if given a decent tail length. I use individual jibs (none of this roll em up jib stuff)
The advantage of the bowline is that each time you fit a jib you put the knot in a different place so the wear points at the sail eyelet and the various pulleys is shifted so extending the life of the halyard.
I still have a wire with rope tail for the main which remains shackled so it only concerns the jib. olewill

 

[john_morris_uk]

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A halyard knot perhaps?

[/ QUOTE ]Halyard Knots are good for tying on shackles (as per the Selden illustration) but you can't undo them when they have been put under load, so they are not so good for tying a halyard to the head of a sail directly.

Buntline hitch - OK

Shackle and Halyard knot - OK

Shackle and learn to splice might be another answer. ...or pay the rigger to splice the shackle on. Or find a friend to splice the shackles on for the cost of a beer.

I have just realised that I could keep myself in beer at this rate.

 

[damo]

" when going from under load to relaxed (when a bowline is very unreliable). "

Which is why this version is better /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ...

 

[tross]

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Halyard Knots are good for tying on shackles (as per the Selden illustration) but you can't undo them when they have been put under load, so they are not so good for tying a halyard to the head of a sail directly.
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I agree, so every year I use a Halyard knot to a shackle and at the end of the year I cut it off.

Why? - most halyard fail at the point where it attaches to the sail - we all know a knot will weaken and damage the line so, I just remove the damage part every year - it is only a few centimetres

 

[Noddy]

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" when going from under load to relaxed (when a bowline is very unreliable). "

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[saltwater_gypsy]

Get organised and learn how to splice. It takes about 5mins!!

 

[TonyMS]

The knot I use, onto a shackle, has the rope go through the shackle and then making a clovehitch onto the standing part. The advantage, especially compared to a bowline or even a splice, is that it takes little space, so that the head of the sail can be pulled almost to the pulley.

It's difficult, but not impossible to undo. So far it has proved totally secure.

Tony MS

 

[fireball]

Bum - I was going to suggest that .... by far the best method I've come across! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif But then as a dinghy sailor we know these shortcuts! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[gandy]

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Put a figure of 8 knot in the Halyard . Then make a loop in Halyard pass through cringe in sail bring figure of 8 knot over top and through loop you have just created pull Halyard .. Also easy to get undone .. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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That's what we used on the Wayfarer. Picture from "Wayfarer Institute of Technology"

 

[RedAdmiral]

A topsail sheet bend - basically the rope passed through the cringle and bent back on itself in a clove hitch. Guaranteed never to shake loose however much the topsail flogged!!