Besenzoni IR remote - how to replicate

[MapisM]

With plenty of apps capable of replicating IR remotes, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be possible to use a smartphone also for the Besenzoni passerelle, hence getting rid of the Besenzoni brick.
Which ain't that terrible tbh, but I'd rather not have to carry it around constantly, if possible.

Now, there is an app which was developed by an IT company jointly with Besenzoni (this is the Android version, if anyone's interested), but it works on Bluetooth, hence requiring the installation of a BT receiver module ("BUC", as Besenzoni call it).
Otoh, aside from the cost of this thingie (which is likely to be silly, though I have no clue about it), actually I don't mind having to point the IR remote to the receiver on the stern, and all I would like to do is getting rid of the remote.

So, since my smartphone has an IR transmitter (it works just perfectly as a replacement of Samsung TV remotes, for instance), an app capable of learning and replicate the IR codes of the original remote should be fine, I suppose - but I couldn't find any.
It can't be rocket science I guess, though my smartphone can only transmit and not receive IR, so the app should be able to learn the codes through some other device. For instance, at home I have a Logitech universal remote that does just that.

Anyway, technicalities aside, has anyone tried to do the same, and possibly found a solution?
TIA!

 

[simonfraser]

can your logitech remote learn the codes ?
that would at least prove the concept works, who knows what the Besenzoni brick uses .....

 

[MapisM]

That's a good question, but I'm unable to answer atm, 'cause the Logitech thing is at home, and I won't be back for a while.
Anyhow, even assuming it does, I can't think of a way to transfer the learned codes from it to an Android device.
An app of some sort (or the capacity to develop one) is necessary anyhow, I suppose.

 

[Irish Rover]

I priced the Besenzoni BT thingy last year and it was around €600 - I passed.

 

[MapisM]

Urgh, I can see why.
Besides, it would be nice to do practically the same thing not only without being ripped off, but also without adding yet another bit of kit.
On boats, the only things that don't break are the ones you don't have....

 

[Truro Ex Pat]

its £410 now and i am thinking of ordering it.

The genuine remote that i have keeps losing its setting so I need a Besen agent to reset it and that costs so just as well get the remote and then I can move it to another boat in future if needed.

If anyone has done this upgrade be interested to hear how it is working?

 

[MapisM]

The genuine remote that i have keeps losing its setting

The IR remote? That's weird.
I suspect it's actually the receiving box driving the hydraulics, that keeps "forgetting" the remote.
In fact, I half recall to have read somewhere that if you buy a new IR remote, there's a sequence of buttons to press on the receiver circuit, to confirm that the new remote is "authorized".
The logic being, I suppose, that if all IR remotes would transmit the same IR codes, they would work with all boats.
Anyhow, if it's the receiver (or its battery) that is defective, I'm afraid you might end with the same problem also adding the BT unit, which as I understand goes "on top" of the existing receiver, so to speak - it doesn't replace it.
Not that I wish you that, mind!

 

[Portofino]

I bought a spare from theses guys https://www.remotecontrol-express.co.uk/remote-controls-gates.html?zff_brand_id=3&zff_nb_buttons=4

It’s a Cardin 4 button .
There’s dip switches inside to unique the code and sync with the mother station be it your house gates or boat pass .
Why doesn’t the Bessenzoni pass work with theses too ?
I thought all remotes worked the same .

 

[MapisM]

Nope, they don't.
Besenzoni used to have radio remote in the past, but since many years ago (IIRC, 20+) they changed to infrared.
Apples and oranges.

 

[Portofino]

Nope, they don't.
Besenzoni used to have radio remote in the past, but since many years ago (IIRC, 20+) they changed to infrared.
Apples and oranges.

Tnx , every days a school day here. :encouragement:

 

[vas]

P.

when you get too frustrated trying to figure out how the Besenzoni remote functions (ie. rolling code, fixed, etc) and before you spend too much money on that, how about doing what I did. Got a universal remote with 6 remotes, 24V, 4chanel, ripped off the oem Quick control box, wired this on and I'm fine...

so you can go for something like this (find another seller giving it with 4 or 6 remotes...):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-DC24...255220&hash=item41e99eb9ab:g:lPIAAOSwR0JUPO2d

or you can spend more money and get a BT 4channel relay receiver:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Channe...098937&hash=item43ee33b46b:g:JAMAAOSw6btXTkJj

cheers

V.

 

[MapisM]

Thanks V for your suggestion, now I recall to have read of your solution in the past.
Otoh, I was hoping to find an easier and quicker way, without fiddling with/installing any additional HW.
Btw, with the setup in the first of your links you still must use a remote (albeit smaller), while I'd like to get rid of it altogether.

That aside, since you mention it: do you think that also infrared remotes can work with rolling codes?
I suppose that this would be enough to make my idea a non-starter... :ambivalence:

 

[vas]

That aside, since you mention it: do you think that also infrared remotes can work with rolling codes?
I suppose that this would be enough to make my idea a non-starter... :ambivalence:

no idea P.
mind, your mobile must be the exception in accepting IR, are you sure there's going to be a selection to choose from or you may end up having to get remotes anyway?
BTW, I've no idea if mobile IR works with rolling codes if I had to choose I'd say you probably wont manage to get it to work.
I have to admit that my limited search/reading wasn't v. enlightening, odd things these IR controls!

V.