Benny First 32 or Sadler 32?

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What do you think? Have not sailed either but am considerring a change.

What do they both sail like?

And which one will SWMBO prefer?

We have kids, mostly coastal sailing with the odd cross channel.
 
Sadler 32 or splash out and go for the Sadler 34.
The Sadlers float in the water, not bounce along the surface of the water like a cork.
 
Swmbo will prefer the First.... And it will sail faster... The Sadler is getting prey old now, so in reality condition should be driving your purchase as much as suitability... I don't inherently think there is any advantage for the Sadler due to displacement or design over the First for the average UK coastal cruising... In fact given how much more plodding they are over a First I would suggest that they are at a disadvantage as their superiority in very poor conditions is more than offset by their worse accommodation, and less entertaining sailing in moderate condition..

In 95% of the conditions a family is likely to sail in, the first will be a better bet...
All of course in my humble opinion... But I did smoke a Sadler 32 this weekend past in my 14 year old Bavaria 31...
 
>Sadler 32 or splash out and go for the Sadler 34. The Sadlers float in the water, not bounce along the surface of the water like a cork.

Agree but women like large aft cabins which influenced all the modern GRP boats designs, as the builders wanted to expand the market. The only thing to do is don't show her the aft cabin of the Benny but praise the one in the Sadler ;-) In fact a better idea is don't show her the Benny at all.
 
photodog said:
Swmbo will prefer the First.... And it will sail faster... The Sadler is getting prey old now, so in reality condition should be driving your purchase as much as suitability... I don't inherently think there is any advantage for the Sadler due to displacement or design over the First for the average UK coastal cruising... In fact given how much more plodding they are over a First I would suggest that they are at a disadvantage as their superiority in very poor conditions is more than offset by their worse accommodation, and less entertaining sailing in moderate condition..

In 95% of the conditions a family is likely to sail in, the first will be a better bet...
All of course in my humble opinion... But I did smoke a Sadler 32 this weekend past in my 14 year old Bavaria 31...
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Ah, but we toasted a Bav 36 yesterday on the Orwell!;)
 
KellysEye said:
>Sadler 32 or splash out and go for the Sadler 34. The Sadlers float in the water, not bounce along the surface of the water like a cork.

Agree but women like large aft cabins which influenced all the modern GRP boats designs, as the builders wanted to expand the market. The only thing to do is don't show her the aft cabin of the Benny but praise the one in the Sadler ;-) In fact a better idea is don't show her the Benny at all.
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See, if I was thinking about a Sadler 32 I would also put the Contessa 32 on the list... Accomodation wise their ain't much in it... But the Contessa is a much more attractive boat... Versus the Sadler looks like its been hit by the ugly stick big time... ( Sorry Snooks!)

OTOH if the 34 is on the list.... Then I would take that very time...

The OP might want to look at the 32s5 as well if his budget will stretch.. If he is really after a benign coastal family cruiser of modernish design then he might also want to look at the Dufour 30 classic... Smaller than the Bene first or Sadler, and not as seaworthy... But not far off price wise now and much newer... Might be more up swmbos street and fine for tooling around Falmouth and Fowey... And probably in need of lot less cash than the First or the Sadler...
 
Champagne Murphy said:
Ah, but we toasted a Bav 36 yesterday on the Orwell!;)
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There were a lot of **** sailors out this weekend... Can't think of any other reason why we were apparently so much quicker upwind than most others... In addition to the Sadler on the Stour on Saturday we were also giving a Malo 36 a run, and then I smoked a Southerly 110 and a feeling 416 coming up from Harwich on the Orr...

Hahaha! It much better if people don't realise you are racing them...
 
The First 32 was once on my list of must haves. They are a delight to sail.
They also were the first with usable aft cabins.

Very cheap, a mate bought one for less than £18k 2 years ago, with all working bells and whistles.
 
photodog said:
OTOH if the 34 is on the list.... Then I would take that very time...
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Wise choice - not as sluggish as some would make out - I have managed a sustained 8~8½kts in mine. Mind you it was blowing a hoolie at the time and I couldn't be bothered adding a reef, normal cruising 5~6½ depending on wind but because she sits "in" the water rather than on top of it she is reasonably comfortable in a blow. Did I mention the 34's are "unsinkable" - yea, yea I know so was the Titanic but the Titanic did not have the benefit of surplus built in buoyancy as do the Sadlers and Etaps
 
cliff said:
Wise choice - not as sluggish as some would make out - I have managed a sustained 8~8½kts in mine. Mind you it was blowing a hoolie at the time and I couldn't be bothered adding a reef, normal cruising 5~6½ depending on wind but because she sits "in" the water rather than on top of it she is reasonably comfortable in a blow. Did I mention the 34's are "unsinkable" - yea, yea I know so was the Titanic but the Titanic did not have the benefit of surplus built in buoyancy as do the Sadlers and Etaps
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Nearly bought a SE a few years back... The missus put the kibosh on it though.... I think she would have one now though.
 
photodog said:
Nearly bought a SE a few years back... The missus put the kibosh on it though.... I think she would have one now though.
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Aye, borrowed a 34 from a friend one weekend - SHMO fell in love with it and the rest is history. Friend was a car salesman - sell the unit to the wife and deal is done as he used to say.
 
photodog said:
There were a lot of **** sailors out this weekend... Can't think of any other reason why we were apparently so much quicker upwind than most others... In addition to the Sadler on the Stour on Saturday we were also giving a Malo 36 a run, and then I smoked a Southerly 110 and a feeling 416 coming up from Harwich on the Orr...

Hahaha! It much better if people don't realise you are racing them...
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did i see you behind us on Saturday
 
we looked at the first (29 / 285) but also the sadler 29 as 32 was slightly too big but the must for us was the double aft cabin - ended with a hanse 301 which hit all the boxes.

cheers

stu
 
Not much in it between the interior of a Sadler and a Contessa? Have you been from one to the other in the same day? The Sadler feels much more roomy, and it's possible to stand up in the heads of a Sadler. And the forecabin is bigger too, and so is the saloon, galley, pilot berth and cockpit and cockpit stowage.

However I digress. Sadler or First? We looked at both before settling on the Sadler. Mainly because the headlining of the first had come down in the forecabin and was sagging in many other places. Something that will never happen to the grp roof lining of the Sadler. The first 325 mentioned above is a redesign of the first 32, but she's actually 34 ft, last one built in dec 88, the 32s5 is a redesign of the 325, with big windows and a darkwood Philipe Stark interior, lighter than the first 325.

If we could have found a first 32 in as good a condition as our Sadler, we would have bought it. The Sadler is smaller inside and only really has two cabins, the First has three but the internal fit out of the First -vinyl linings etc cause all sorts of grief in boats that age.

My wife and I found my father's First 325 a bit of a handful in boisterous conditions, no such problems with the Sadler which I can happily sail on my own if my wife is looking after our daughter.

The Sadler is a great sea boat, we've taken ours from Portsmouth to Orkney and been out in some blows.

As someone else above said it will probably come down to the condition of the individual boats you view.
 
photodog said:
See, if I was thinking about a Sadler 32 I would also put the Contessa 32 on the list... Accomodation wise their ain't much in it... But the Contessa is a much more attractive boat... Versus the Sadler looks like its been hit by the ugly stick big time... ( Sorry Snooks!)
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Thank you. A point I have quietly made in the past

However, provided you can find a good un, I think the French boat would suit your needs better.
 
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