Beneteau MC6

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There's a lot to like about this boat, but what possessed them to put measly 600 hp engines in it? It's fast cruising speed with a clean hull seems to be just under 20 knots, so with some late season fouling this thing will surely be falling off the plane at anything too far below WOT? As a result of the engines struggling the fuel consumption appears no better than a shaft drive Princess 60 with 900 hp engines, despite the supposed benefit of pod drives on the MC6 and a lower displacement.

Its top speed is a fairly dull 27 kts, but you only get that at over 3,000 RPM, and it drops quickly to 23 knots at 2,800 which is still 92% of WOT, and again that's with a clean hull, so if you want to travel in the 20's you're going to be stressing those engines. In contrast, the Princess is still running in the 20's at 1800 RPM (75% WOT), and has a top speed of 33 knots, and none of this comes at a penalty in terms of fuel consumption. There wont be any saving in maintenance costs for the smaller engines on the MC6 either, because you have the pods to service.

All of this assumes the MB&Y fuel figures are correct, and I know that has been questioned recently, but as both boats have fuel readouts on the dash it's hard to see how they could have got them wrong, and both boats had similar loads and conditions for the respective tests.

I wonder if Beneteau over-estimated the benefits they would get from pod drives, or maybe the Zeus have proved less efficient than the IPS used on other boats in the MC range. It would put me off buying one, not so much the outright speed but the idea of stressing the engines all the time.

ps. liking the new forum by the way, not major differences but a bit fresher and cleaner appearance.
 
Not that I'm in position to buy one but I thought exactly the same. The QSC8.3 cruise rpm is 2700rpm, it will be lucky to make 20 knots with fouling without taking engines past recommended cruise rpm. I'd read on some other forum Cummins brought down cruise rpm to 2600rpm for this engine, but it does state 300rpm of rated in their spec.

To make the 23 knots at 2800rpm, you're pushing engines past recommended cruise rpm!

Anders
 
I'm really looking forward to reading the review but it's not out on Zinio yet!!!!
I recon that most of their customers will not be too bothered about the one choice/low hp power block and will be enamoured by the detailing, (albeit Ben/Jen standard), huge cabin and joystick.
Like I say, looking forward to the review as it's one that I would be interested in, perhaps, sometime......
 
I suspect that the major reason MC went for pods + smaller engines was cost. At €800K + VAT, the list price is well below its shaftdrive competitors. As for fuel efficiency the quoted MBY figure of 0.54nmpg @ 20kts is better than its shaftdrive competitors. I reckon on 0.4nmpg for my current 63 footer and my previous 53 footer achieved approx 0.55nmpg so IMHO the pods are indeed giving the MC6 better fuel consumption than had it been shaftdrive. Having said that, it wouldn't be the first time that pods haven't achieved the hoped for efficiency improvements on a flybridge boat. For reasons nobody seems to be able to satisfactorily explain, pods seem to work comparatively better in sports cruiser than flybridge boats.

Yes agree that a top speed of 27kts with a clean hull and no cruising clutter on board sounds marginal because as you say, 4 months of Med fouling could easily knock 5kts off that speed. On the other hand, I guess there isn't much experience out there on how Med fouling affects pod drive boats compared to shaft drive ones. It is conceivable that Zeus pod drive boats are less affected by sterngear fouling than shaftdrive boats but I don't know about that. The other thing is that maybe the MC designers did not intend for the hull to be driven at 30kts+. With that plumb bow and according to MBY, soft ride, maybe the hull was intended to be more SD than P and it could be that the hull goes very well in the low teens. Yup agreed, engines with max 3000rpm are potentially going to sound busy at speed but again on the other hand, maybe the aft position of the engines and some good sound proofing is going to negate that

IMHO, this is a good effort by MC and with that competitive price, what seems to be marginally better fuel consumption than it's shaftdrive rivals and distinctive styling, it could do very well
 
Slight thread drift- down a notch!
Sitting on our brand new MC5 (2 weeks post delivery)- we are absolutely delighted! Top speed 30 knots albeit with a clean bottom.
No real fuel consumption data as yet but probably less than Eddie Jordan's
Next week we leave Port Leucate for Sant Carles de la Rapita so will post passage pics.
 
Slight thread drift- down a notch!
Sitting on our brand new MC5 (2 weeks post delivery)- we are absolutely delighted! Top speed 30 knots albeit with a clean bottom.
No real fuel consumption data as yet but probably less than Eddie Jordan's
Next week we leave Port Leucate for Sant Carles de la Rapita so will post passage pics.

Very disappointed that there are no pics yet Sammy!!!
I bet you are loving it.

you'll get 5.5 litres per mile burn at low to mid 20's I imagine....
 
Nice video Rocky. ;)

Not too sure about the sink in the cabin. It does look like they have fitted a lot in though and, as pointed out, some little touches like the pop up lights which are on the MCY76.
 
…. The QSC8.3 cruise rpm is 2700rpm, it will be lucky to make 20 knots with fouling without taking engines past recommended cruise rpm. I'd read on some other forum Cummins brought down cruise rpm to 2600rpm for this engine, but it does state 300rpm of rated in their spec.

To make the 23 knots at 2800rpm, you're pushing engines past recommended cruise rpm!

Anders

My 58ft Prestige 550 has the same drive system, and over the last few days pootling along the Amalfi coast up from Salerno to Procida and Ischia and back - a post with some beautiful pics to follow in few days - I recorded (with a clean bottom) 24.5 knots @ 2650 rpm and 200 l
ph which is about as fast I ever want to go. My preferred planing ''cruising'' speed is 17.5 knots @ 2250 rpm and 140 lph, and I have only recently discovered (now that we are in some of the most beautiful scenic coastlines on the Med) the joys of displacement sailing at 10 knots @ 1500 rpm burning a wallet saving 45 lph.
 

My 58ft Prestige 550 has the same drive system, and over the last few days pootling along the Amalfi coast up from Salerno to Procida and Ischia and back - a post with some beautiful pics to follow in few days - I recorded (with a clean bottom) 24.5 knots @ 2650 rpm and 200 l
ph which is about as fast I ever want to go. My preferred planing ''cruising'' speed is 17.5 knots @ 2250 rpm and 140 lph, and I have only recently discovered (now that we are in some of the most beautiful scenic coastlines on the Med) the joys of displacement sailing at 10 knots @ 1500 rpm burning a wallet saving 45 lph.

Yes post some pics, sounds beautiful.

The pod package seems a better match to your boat, you're about 4.5 knots quicker than MC6 at cruise rpm. The stats on MC6 did say 85% fuel, 90% water so she was tested almost worse case scenario.

Deleted User, review of P60 showed better economy on Volvo D13-900's. Boat circa 6T heavier too.

Volvo
19.3k 1700rpm, 0.56mpg. 23.7k 1900rpm, 0.53mpg

Zeus
19.6k 2600rpm, 0.54mpg. 23.2k 2800rpm, 0.52mpg

Can't argue on price though and £400K saving over P60 would be nice fuel and pod serving budget.
 
Yep I agree Nick, there is loads to like about that boat, but as we have said on here about many boats, there is stuff to dislike. Compromises again. Things like the billy no mates helm seating jump out for starters. But it is a nice/funky looking machine, and they have created a great starting price (I haven't seen the essential options list...), so bravo to Beneteau on achieving all that. Sure the Princess 60 is better but with several hundred £k saving in purchase price it might be out of reach of plenty of people who'd love to be in a 60 footer, and that will make the MC6 compromises acceptable.

The general interior detailing and lighting looked good, and the deck spaces are very nice (I love the white caulking, and the absence of margin planks is ok considering the fantastic price, but much more important is that the spaces are good). I am a bit concerned by the fuel tanks - seem small - I have not read mby's report yet but using the data above, 0.53mpg, =8.6 lpm, with fuel tank 2200 litres and the "standard" 20% reserve the range at 20kts is 204 nm with clean bottom, so 190 mid season. That just isn't enough for a big summer holiday style cruise.

I'm a bit of a parade rainer ref those pop up lights on the foredeck. They are ghastly things from the Quick catalogue - they've been in the catalogue 3 yrs +, nothing new, and several boatbuilders use them. The concept is interesting but the cheapy made in China feel of the Quick ones is dire. My boat's standard build spec has two of them on the flybridge and I made absolutely sure they were deleted from my build!

I'm guessing Cummins must be getting competitive in supplying boat builders, which is excellent news as Volvo need the completion for the benefit of us boatowners. And of course Cummins is good machinery
 
The foredeck is put to good use (lights aside) and is a good area for having lunch privately if in a marina with lots of public walking past, St.Tropez, Puerto Banus. Looking back at older boats that only have couple of sunpads and you wonder why it took manufacturers up until just a few years ago to implement such designs. Compare a Predator 82 from 2006 with a Predator 80 2015 and the difference is noticeable. Were boat builders in the past lacking in vision or scared to break the mould? Slight thread drift but there we are.
 
The foredeck is put to good use (lights aside) and is a good area for having lunch privately if in a marina with lots of public walking past,

I thought that at first, but of course you'd have to carry a table and chairs along the side deck and back again, and if it's too breezy to use the flybridge for privacy, it'll be even windier on the bow. The sun loungers are a nice touch, and whilst my usual view is that nothing should be automated on a boat that doesn't have to be (just more to go wrong), I suppose sun beds aren't mission critical so you can always repair them at your leisure.
 
That was my first thought on the sunbeds as well. I suppose you could say that they are infinitely adjustable but as you point out, it's just a motor to go wrong.
 
I'm guessing Cummins must be getting competitive in supplying boat builders, which is excellent news as Volvo need the completion for the benefit of us boatowners. And of course Cummins is good machinery

I've just spent a weekend cruising with a 550 on those Cummins/Zeus POD's , (same as Mark and the only option).
Owner had just come from D6 435, (same as mine), and he much preferred the Cummins set up.

His boat was full of people and had a big toy on the back and seemed to be taking things with ease.

These guys at Beneteau seem to see the importance of creating competition through their various brands and thus spreading the bet as it were, so GT, Prestige and now MC. What they seem sure of, (and their sales volumes would support this), is that volume, innovation and price are driving their market, not 30kt + performance and huge HP options.

It's great that SMARTCRAFT seems to be working properly now, (software was appalling on early out drives) and I'd be really interested to get on the boat for a look/see to see how it comes together.

Agree re fuel tanks, every model to come from Beneteau in the last few years, mine included, is around 30% short on tank size.....but something has to give and big bedrooms come first!
Re pop up lights, I'd rather have some solar sticks that can be planted than those things....very Homebase.
 
Looking at the spec for a P60 at the moment - think more like £1.6 million inc vat


Yes post some pics, sounds beautiful.

The pod package seems a better match to your boat, you're about 4.5 knots quicker than MC6 at cruise rpm. The stats on MC6 did say 85% fuel, 90% water so she was tested almost worse case scenario.

Deleted User, review of P60 showed better economy on Volvo D13-900's. Boat circa 6T heavier too.

Volvo
19.3k 1700rpm, 0.56mpg. 23.7k 1900rpm, 0.53mpg

Zeus
19.6k 2600rpm, 0.54mpg. 23.2k 2800rpm, 0.52mpg

Can't argue on price though and £400K saving over P60 would be nice fuel and pod serving budget.
 
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