Benefits of SSR British flagging and PIP disability payments whilst abroad.

Unfortunately with Prinzmetal angina breathing in cold air causes heart attacks and strokes, in my case I have had both in temperatures up to +13c. Nowhere in the EU is warm enough 365 days a year, only a tropical climate is 100% guaranteed not to get that low not subtropical. I need the country to be safe, affordable and I have to have the right to live in the country, if a medical is required I won't pass. The hospitals have to be good enough and affordable as with my history 35 insurance companies have declined to insure me. PIP is claimable in the EU, not that ATOS or the Department of Works and Pensions tell one that. There are also a few countries with reciprocal agreements, but none meet my above criteria. Perhaps India is a contender, but I would not get PIP there. The Philippines is one country with a reciprocal agreement, but I have a good friend who lived there and left because it was no longer a safe place to live and being disabled I not only can't defend myself, indeed I am a target.
 
PIP is payable to anyone in the EU and a few other countries, unfortunately nowhere is the EU is warm enough for my condition which is worse than the usual sufferer of prinzmetal angina. PIP is also payable to those living in a few countries with reciprocal arrangements, but none meet the criteria I need, including affordable hospitals, safety etc, don't think I have not investigated suitable alternatives. None of the above will ATOS tell anyone applying for PIP, thus it pays to keep asking questions, as I have done on this forum. My case is very complicated, as is my medical condition, non experts can't really assume or understand correctly the criteria and issues I have to deal with.
 
Guess you have thought of Malaysia? MM2H low cost residency. Excellent and cheap medical services. Many doctors trained in UK.English spoken everywhere. The right climate for you. Basic Bahasa MUCH easier than Thai.
 
It certainly is an option, but I love living on Koh Samui, and I would still have the same issue with PIP payments in Malaysia. I must agree with you, Thai is still an enigma to me, all those tones etc.

There is however a glimmer of hope with me being eligible for PIP living outside the UK or EEA country, I have been admitted into hospital so many times whilst visiting the UK with records of the temperatures; so I can prove nowhere in the EEA is actually warm enough for me. An expert now batting for my side suggests I have a very strong case for an exception to me having to live in a tropical climate, I'll know in a couple of months. PIP is not means tested, and I can easily claim non dom status if I wish, and stop paying UK tax and national insurance, so financially I won't be the loser if I don't get PIP and I choose to stop putting in to the system that is taking so much but not giving much back.
 
I am puzzled why the OP considers himself to be an exception who needs to live in a hot climate.

How do other sufferers in the UK (or anywhere in a temperate climate) manage?
 
macd said:
And can be bloody chilly.
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I think that looking to compromise a little would go a long way.
If you look at somewhere like Cartagena in Spain the average daily temperatures for the three coldest months are above 15 deg C and a darn sight hotter throughout the rest of the year. (We spent last winter there and never wore more than a t-shirt even at night.
Granted night time temprature averages for the three coldest months, drop to 10 deg.
It it such a hardship to expect someone who is ill to spend a few winter evenings inside with a heater on?
And maybe the occasional day inside in the depths of winter?
or is being a night time party animal 365 days a year a requirement?
 
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An interesting thread. Am reminded of an encounter many moons ago that stated that to achieve freedom one should NEVER expect ANY government to take care of you when you are ill or in old age...but that freedom was not for sissies. The guy was American, of course.

I am sure however that somehow, I am a dinoseur, misguided and vastly out of date.........or not.
 
I have some sympathy with the OP as I am kept alive - and live an almost "normal" life (including sailing my boat more or less when I want) at great expense to the NHS. However, one of the constraints of the NHS (and most "free" government services) is that eligibility is not connected to either citizenship or tax payments, but to residency. So, choosing to live outside the UK (and in certain cases outside the EEA) automatically excludes access.

There is nothing new about this and is a consequence of universality of services rather than directly contributory. That choice was made in 1947 and is a fundamental principle of our welfare state.
 
Tranona said:
I have some sympathy with the OP as I am kept alive - and live an almost "normal" life (including sailing my boat more or less when I want) at great expense to the NHS. However, one of the constraints of the NHS (and most "free" government services) is that eligibility is not connected to either citizenship or tax payments, but to residency. So, choosing to live outside the UK (and in certain cases outside the EEA) automatically excludes access.

There is nothing new about this and is a consequence of universality of services rather than directly contributory. That choice was made in 1947 and is a fundamental principle of our welfare state.
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But Tranona surely you understand that Lord Lucan does not choose to live outside the UK but is forced to do so , by his ailment. I think this is a super wheeze - my arthritic big toe only strikes when in cold damp conditions (ie UK 11 months of the year). It is fine when I am on my yacht in Turkey. Do you think I should move to liveabord and claim this miraculous PIP as well?:encouragement:
Peter
 
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But Tranona surely you understand that Lord Lucan does not choose to live outside the UK but is forced to do so , by his ailment. I think this is a super wheeze - my arthritic big toe only strikes when in cold damp conditions (ie UK 11 months of the year). It is fine when I am on my yacht in Turkey. Do you think I should move to liveabord and claim this miraculous PIP as well?:encouragement:
Peter
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With respect that trivialises a condition which may be real and serious. I'd imagine that any review of the OP's claim would include a diligent assessment of his illness.

I daresay his 'experts' case would be based on a hypothetical one in which his circumstances are entirely as he describes, but he is resident in the UK. They will claim that this hypothetical person's only means to reasonable quality of life is to move overseas. Whether that succeeds or fails is not up to us, but I hope your big toe never gets that bad.
 
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Quotes from 'Lord Lucan':
"I would really appreciate some help. I applied for PIP disability payment but was refused on the basis I was not in the UK or EU. I have an all important appeal date in court in August. My yacht was registered in Southampton and I would like to submit the rules and regulations that state my yacht was technically and legally British soil. Can anyone send me a good link?"
and
"I sold my yacht in 2011 as I previously stated."

Your argument is invalid. Goodbye.
 
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