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Fleming 55. Lovely !

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So long ago I forget what this one was called. But pretty impressive. To me anyway.

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Also forgot what this was. Not to my taste but to many I'm sure.

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Franchiati or something like that. The owner of this boat lived on a huge sailing catermaran and used this to go fishing!! He had bait tanks fitted in the tender garage !

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This probably costs more than my boat !

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The other reason I went there. To compare with the Fleming.

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And we saw this beauty ?

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And does anyone know whos boat this is ?

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Another view.

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And me and her in doors got a guided tour around it.
Who was it told me that you couldn't get onto boats in Split unless you were a Russian Zilionaire ? We went on the Flemming, Skagen and Frachiati as well.

Didn't think much of Split though. OK if you like Roman ruins but not much else. Oh except for all the leggy lovelies !!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
That is a Franchini Emozione 55 fouth pic down, beautifully detailed yacht, not built for volume or sheer practicality but OMG it is just gorgeous close up and very, very good in the lumpy stuff if a little wet.

Snapper is Eddie Jordon's.

Hope you are going the Fleming route /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif, Skagen was nice but not in the same league as the F55 either in build quality or detail.
 
the black one is a Leaonard 72 Open an expeienced repair yard in Italy going the building root in the last 8 years or so, they stated off by completeing some mochi moulds when the shipyard went bankrupt in 1999, before Ferretti took over

silver is the Pershing, the one next to the classic one looks like a Morgan, just bought over by Aicon before owned by Rodriguez more known for building medium tonned ships then yachts, but they also own Conam
 
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Who was it told me that you couldn't get onto boats in Split unless you were a Russian Zilionaire ? We went on the Flemming, Skagen and Frachiati as well.

Didn't think much of Split though. OK if you like Roman ruins but not much else. Oh except for all the leggy lovelies !!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I think that might have been me - it was definitely our experience last year. Glad to hear that things have changed a bit. Good pics.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
So how did you rate the Skagen 50 against the Fleming? I drool over the Fleming at SIBS every year only that I think it's time for a redesign incorporating a midships full beam owners cabin and a larger saloon. I was quite disappointed with the Skagen at SIBS last year. Like nautical, I don't think the finish and build quality is in the same league as the Fleming and the price seems v high for what it is (£750k??)
 
Agree Mike, such a gorgeous yacht and beautifully made (F55) but ecky thump they do need to update the interior, nothing wrong with it in general if you like acres of teak and it is very well executed but for her size the cabins are a bit small and add in the dark teak and small cabin windows below and it feels a bit gloomy on a drizzly UK summer day compared to more modern designs.

I really hope they do a mark II or evolution model soon cus I fear as time passes the interior will become more and more unacceptable to main stream buyers. I know Fleming himself is fanatical about his boats and very resistant to change and perhaps understandably so as the 55 has been such a success but that has been over a twenty year period were they was little change in the interior design of yachts, in the last five there has been a huge shift towards more bright and airy cabins and interiors along with mid ship cabins etc.

My concern would be that the F55 in its current form looses some of its appeal becuase of the dated interior and considered sort of a specialist bespoke one off type of the thing and eventually gets dropped because there are not enough buyers. The next few years are going to be very competitive and the US is in a bad way boaty wise (like really, really bad) and half the sales have been to US buyers. They will (not just Fleming) have to appeal to the widest possible market and that means an update and reconfigure for modern tastes.

I know of one buyer who I brought along for a look see, totally gob smacked at her lovely lines , detail, engineering and finish but stepped in inside and one look down below was enough, no thanks !, and he was gutted cus he really wanted to buy it.

having said all that of course I would still have one tomorrow as there really isn't anything to compete, yes there are others of similar ilk but none , absolutely none touch her for looks, she is as voted for by several inetrnational mags one of the top ten best looking motoryachts of all time, I could live with the interior (just) partly because I just love everything else about her and I wouldn't compormise the looks, the detail, engineering or finish for something with a better interior, other peoples priorities may/ are different and I know sales are lost elsewhere, not a problem in a good market, bigum problem in a shrinking market !
 
Good points, Trev. Hopefully, I'm looking for a 50-60ft SD boat myself in a few years time for extended cruising and I've always admired the F55 but, as more modern designs appear, the F55 is looking v dated. In fact SWMBO has pronounced that she could'nt live with the small saloon on the F55 and she rightly points out that it's smaller than the saloon on our existing 46 footer. It seems to me that when Fleming updated the F50 to the F55, all he did was stick the extra 5ft in the cockpit which was a wasted oppurtunity IMHO. The lack of a midships owner's cabin is another big issue for us too. Virtually every new 50ft+ boat these days has one. To be honest I thought the Marlow 57 was way ahead of the F55 in terms of accomodation but IMHO it does'nt have the pedigree of the Fleming and I would be concerned about it's lightweight construction both in terms of resisting an underwater collision and lack of stability in a seaway - maybe I'm a bit fuddy duddy on this point
You're right about Fleming's market position. A few years back, they stood out on their own with maybe only Grand Banks as competition but mainstream builders have raised their quality game considerably and other builders have come into the market with both SD and D type offshore designs so it's now a more crowded market, particularly now that, as you say, the US market is down
 
Agree with everything you say.

I like the the looks and layout of the Skagen and because the pilot house is not separate it feels more open than the Fleming in the saloon area. It's not in the same league as the Fleming in terms of build quality though.

Nicky Fleming was showing the F55 and a lovely lady she was as well.

Need I say that Eddie Jordons Sunseeker was AWESOME !!!!!!
 
Correct on both counts of course.

I agree the Franchini 55 was an absolutely stunning looking boat. Wasn't 100% convinced on the detailing and finish though. The chap showing it did comment on its seakeeping.

I have to be honest and say the Fleming is a dream really, financially feasible but a real stretch. A second hand Skagen in a couple of year much more likely.
 
I know the fit and finish is not up with the others but the Beneatau ST52 is a helluva lot of boat for the money and, if the success of the ST42 is anything to go by, it should be a good boat
 
Might be a little on the big side but have a look at this Outter Reef 65 . Thought she was exceptionally well built, right up there with the best and huge inside, too big for my needs but if they made 55 version I would consider one. Think there is somewhere on the site under news or something about a guy that brought one to Southampton and then sailed it non stop to Gib, more or less straight out of the box.

I guess as said earlier these are the kind of builders that Fleming have to take note of for the future.
 
Yup, that'll do very nicely. Bit more of a modern open feel plus a midships master. There appears to be a 58 footer on it's way. What else do you know about this lot? How long have they been in business? How many boats have they built?
 
About ten years I think, they are the same outfit that do the Molokai Straight range of trawlers Molokai Straight so good pedigree there, seen a couple in the Med, nice!.

Not sure how many but guess based on the number capable of being built at the Yard in Taiwan probably about 25 - 30.

Of the current crop they seem to have the nicest lines and detail and quite an expansion program. As far as resale goes with this type of yacht it doesn't seem t make a huge difference as long as there is a history and reasonable infrastructure they fetch much the same as anything else. I did a lot of research on Hatteras V's other unknowns over here and really the extra cost of the Hat for what was not really any better a boat didn't really offset any depreciation against the others, the others like Symbol etc might lose a little more but you paid a lot less in the first place and in fact the Symbol 66 was to me a better designed yacht. Having said that now is the time to plunge in if you have the dosh, all are willing to talk turkey and you may find you can offset your first year or two's depreciation with a very good incentive deal for a new order.
 
Yup, it is tempting to buy a US $ denominated boat at the moment even without heavy discounting. The $ has to recover some time and that alone may cover any Sterling depreciation. It's a fair bet that both US stocks and the $ get a bit of a fillip after the US election
 
Yep saw that one, got all excited and then .............. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Still for that money is near half the retail and if the repairs were done correctly shouldn't be a problem, engines still have warranty and only 500 hrs.

Sad I know but with owners ill health (if that is true) maybe she could be bought for a lot less and I think I am right in saying post 2000 all Flemings where ever destined for were CE marked so you would only have the transport and tax to pay. Even A/C is 110/220v
 
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