Being retired; painful

It was only a "golden age" because it didn't require any thought. Martin Lewis and Pete Matthew bark on at trying to get basic financial stuff taught in schools but if you don't make any provision for your own deferred salary, then you only have yourself to blame.

Martin Lewis drives me mad. Why does he shout so much? And forever on about the minutiae - credit card balance transfers, electricity bills and suchlike. I can’t watch him.

Pete Matthew is a fantastic resource to learn how the system works, I agree.

Ramin Nakisa at Pensioncraft if you want to learn about investing, he’s the next step after Pete Matthews.

(ps - no idea why it is underlined, sorry)
 
Martin Lewis drives me mad. Why does he shout so much? And forever on about the minutiae - credit card balance transfers, electricity bills and suchlike. I can’t watch him.

Pete Matthew is a fantastic resource to learn how the system works, I agree.

Ramin Nakisa at Pensioncraft if you want to learn about investing, he’s the next step after Pete Matthews.

(ps - no idea why it is underlined, sorry)
I only read Martin Lewis, I can't bear to watch him. Read his forum for 20 years but it went downhill when he sold out to Moneysupermarket.
 
Not sure I agree. I was fortunate to join a DB scheme with the "world's favourite" employer. Employee contribution rate was upwards of 14%. It was replaced with a DC scheme, min employee contribution 0% to (employer 5%) to max employee 6%, employer 15%. The max employee rate was now less than half of the old DB scheme. I produced spreadsheets that showed if someone kept their contribution rate up at 14% or more, they could easily match the benefits of the DB scheme (though not guaranteed of course). They would also have the benefit of being able to pass this on to their heirs unlike a DB pension.

It was only a "golden age" because it didn't require any thought. Martin Lewis and Pete Matthew bark on at trying to get basic financial stuff taught in schools but if you don't make any provision for your own deferred salary, then you only have yourself to blame.

As Pete Matthew says, he has never once had to use a quadratic equation in the real world but spent useless time learning them instead of basics of personal finance. My friends mocked when I didn't have the latest car whilst I was squirreling 50% of my salary into a pension for almost 30 years. Now they want to come out on the boat but don't have the time as they are still not able to retire in their late 60s due to mortgage and other financial commitments.
It was a golden age because the average blue collar worker contributed 5% of his wages and got depending on how long he worked for the company up to 66 % of his wage as a pension without as you say thinking about it. that began to change with chancellors like Brown tinkering and pension schemes quickly found themselves in arrears with companies having to increase contributions along with employees. That heralded the defined contribution scheme which was universally more expensive for all with companies defaulting to minimum contributions that will ultimately result in at least two generations having worthless pensions because they can't afford to make meaningful contributions.
I was fortunate in belonging to a defined benefit scheme that in my early years both company and employees were able to take "pension holidays" and for the rest of its existence I paid 5%. I had only 5 years of a DC contribution and have retired with over 30 yea&rs of contributions giving me a final pension of over 60% of salary plus other benefits and my wife will eventually assuming I die before her get 50 % of my pension.
During my employment I saw hourly paid workers retire on pensions of greater than 60% but also witnessed new employees who will never achieve that or anywhere near it.
We as well as being savvy enough to understand and think about our retirement but also able to afford to do something about it were fortunate there are many that weren't particularly the lower paid and there are going to be a great many more in the next 20 years as they retire with very little to show for their lifetime of labour.
 
It was a golden age because the average blue collar worker contributed 5% of his wages and got depending on how long he worked for the company up to 66 % of his wage as a pension without as you say thinking about it. that began to change with chancellors like Brown tinkering and pension schemes quickly found themselves in arrears with companies having to increase contributions along with employees. That heralded the defined contribution scheme which was universally more expensive for all with companies defaulting to minimum contributions that will ultimately result in at least two generations having worthless pensions because they can't afford to make meaningful contributions.
I was fortunate in belonging to a defined benefit scheme that in my early years both company and employees were able to take "pension holidays" and for the rest of its existence I paid 5%. I had only 5 years of a DC contribution and have retired with over 30 yea&rs of contributions giving me a final pension of over 60% of salary plus other benefits and my wife will eventually assuming I die before her get 50 % of my pension.
During my employment I saw hourly paid workers retire on pensions of greater than 60% but also witnessed new employees who will never achieve that or anywhere near it.
We as well as being savvy enough to understand and think about our retirement but also able to afford to do something about it were fortunate there are many that weren't particularly the lower paid and there are going to be a great many more in the next 20 years as they retire with very little to show for their lifetime of labour.
So true, so sad. But it’s ignorance as well as economics at the root cause. When running my business I was adamant that my employees would “get it” so I asked our 3rd party pension administrator to visit and talk pensions. He was incomprehensible to the staff. He talked of Gilts, Bonds, Equities, I watched as their eyes glazed over. They were bright people, ours was a software business, but they simply didn’t understand the lingo he was using. I sent him home and expressed it in layman’s language to them, things like the impact of compoundng, what tax relief means, inflation, what is an equity investment. They got it and maxed out their DC contributions and now, twenty years later, I’m delighted that they’re sitting pretty. It just takes a little bit of education, I believe that the financial services industry and the Regulators are failing in that regard.
 
So true, so sad. But it’s ignorance as well as economics at the root cause. When running my business I was adamant that my employees would “get it” so I asked our 3rd party pension administrator to visit and talk pensions. He was incomprehensible to the staff. He talked of Gilts, Bonds, Equities, I watched as their eyes glazed over. They were bright people, ours was a software business, but they simply didn’t understand the lingo he was using. I sent him home and expressed it in layman’s language to them, things like the impact of compoundng, what tax relief means, inflation, what is an equity investment. They got it and maxed out their DC contributions and now, twenty years later, I’m delighted that they’re sitting pretty. It just takes a little bit of education, I believe that the financial services industry and the Regulators are failing in that regard.
Yes for those that can do something about it correctly delivered information is great but sadly there are millions that no matter how good or well the information is presented they can't do anything about it. Paying the mortgage or in many (most ) cases comes first along with weekly shopping bills and sadly the annual holiday.
I was acutely aware as both a manager of hourly paid employees and also a pension scheme trustee that there is a difference between explaining and being seen to give advice which can come back to bite you later as things change.
 
I read in a newspaper today that 1 in 5 adults in the UK have no savings. They live from payday to payday, or benefit payment to benefit payment. The poor devils must dread the unexpected bill arriving.
 
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I read in a newspaper today that 1 in 5 adults in the UK have no savings. They live from payday to payday, or benefit payment to benefit payment. The poor devils must dread the unexpected bill arriving.
Probably much too far a general assumption, but my parents were from a generation where they didn't buy it until they could afford it with cash, my generation learned to use credit wisely, the younger generation have borrowed their way into apparent wealth (leased cars, £1,500 phones, long haul holidays etc).

Perhaps there will be a return to cheaper holidays or is that what a "staycation" is?
 
I read in a newspaper today that 1 in 5 adults in the UK have no savings. They live from payday to payday, or benefit payment to benefit payment. The poor devils must dread the unexpected bill arriving.
According to the BBC news it is 1 in 10 have no savings, I am afraid I have no sympathy for the ones who refuse to work but hold out their paw for benefits, it has become easier to find some sort of mental illness online, and mimic the symptoms, to most folks of an age this would have been unthinkable and they would have felt shame in doing this, but not anymore, it seems to be a badge of honour, yet they have the latest phones and a few quids worth of tattoos, some chose to live this way and think the country owes them a living.
 
According to the BBC news it is 1 in 10 have no savings, I am afraid I have no sympathy for the ones who refuse to work but hold out their paw for benefits, it has become easier to find some sort of mental illness online, and mimic the symptoms, to most folks of an age this would have been unthinkable and they would have felt shame in doing this, but not anymore, it seems to be a badge of honour, yet they have the latest phones and a few quids worth of tattoos, some chose to live this way and think the country owes them a living.
Crime pays. Especially dealing.
 
I read in a newspaper today that 1 in 5 adults in the UK have no savings. They live from payday to payday, or benefit payment to benefit payment. The poor devils must dread the unexpected bill arriving.
Yet where I live you see more and more 22/23/24/25 registered top spec cars driving round and on the driveways of little houses. There are more cars on the road than there ever have been. Something doesn't add up right about poverty.
 
Yet where I live you see more and more 22/23/24/25 registered top spec cars driving round and on the driveways of little houses. There are more cars on the road than there ever have been. Something doesn't add up right about poverty.
You've got a point there. There's parts of Croydon with poky little terrace houses with litter-strewn front yards on which are parked exotic cars. Makes you wonder about people's priorities.
 
Probably much too far a general assumption, but my parents were from a generation where they didn't buy it until they could afford it with cash, my generation learned to use credit wisely, the younger generation have borrowed their way into apparent wealth (leased cars, £1,500 phones, long haul holidays etc).

Perhaps there will be a return to cheaper holidays or is that what a "staycation" is?
Any form of deferred payment goes right across the grain for me, though I was forced to make an exception for my mortgage, paid off many years ago. A nephew had something of a reputation in my family for seeming to live a comfortable live by buying things on hire purchase, as it was called. He must have managed alright because one of his wives took revenge on him by torching a dozen of his Saville Row suits.

UK holidays have become the norm for the better-off and higher classes, as they have been for some time. It is the moneyed proletariat who take themselves off to Disney-hell with the children and go on honeymoon to similar nightmare locations far away, where nasty bugs and even nastier drinks abound.
 
Yet where I live you see more and more 22/23/24/25 registered top spec cars driving round and on the driveways of little houses. There are more cars on the road than there ever have been. Something doesn't add up right about poverty.
Isn't there the fear that a recession will get everyone handing these new cars back?

I was never bothered with cars. Except I loved scrap yards where you could pick up bits to keep the old banger going. Sad days when h&s kept you from clambering over them.

Friends with less money would be chopping and changing cars all the time. What a waste!
 
I didn't mind having a mortgage since the value of the house was increasing and so were my wages and the repayments stayed the same.

But on the few occasions I had hire-purchase agreements I cleared them off as soon as I could.

Probably an old-fashioned view nowadays but I was always convinced that any extra cash I got should be used to pay off debt.
 
UK holidays have become the norm for the better-off and higher classes, as they have been for some time. It is the moneyed proletariat who take themselves off to Disney-hell with the children and go on honeymoon to similar nightmare locations far away, where nasty bugs and even nastier drinks abound.
UK very expensive to holiday in I hear.
 
I read in a newspaper today that 1 in 5 adults in the UK have no savings. They live from payday to payday, or benefit payment to benefit payment. The poor devils must dread the unexpected bill arriving.

I'm sure they do, and I'd suggest that fact goes a long way toward explaining why the the mental health of so many people in the UK has fallen off a cliff in the last couple of decades or so.
Yes, I find hotels and Airbnb places much cheaper in France.

Yes they are quite significantly.

We never pay more than 70 or 80 Euro a night for an airbnb in France or Spain. Try getting a similar nightly price in some overcrowded, rain sodden UK tourist destination and see what happens.
 
You've got a point there. There's parts of Croydon with poky little terrace houses with litter-strewn front yards on which are parked exotic cars. Makes you wonder about people's priorities.

I'm not sure it's all about priorities - maybe it's more about the monthly payments.

There's probably rather more people who can afford three or four hundred quid a month to rent a new car to put on the drive than there are people who can afford to buy a new car to put on their drive by transferring thirty of forty grand out of their spare cash account.
 
I'm not sure it's all about priorities - maybe it's more about the monthly payments.

There's probably rather more people who can afford three or four hundred quid a month to have a new car on the drive than there are people who can afford to transfer thirty of forty grand out of their spare cash account to do the same.
Yes, you may be right.
 
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