Beginner advice

[Tranona]

The plan will maybe ti go up to 7/8hp

oh the paint was just for the hull. The only interior painting will be any woodwork ive replaced in the cabin. Deck wont be getting touched. £100 for hull doing properly is fine by me? What supplier do you reccomend? What ecactly would i need to buy to get a boat that size done properly?? Ill add it to my growing list.
I get where you are coming from about get in the water and enjoy it but im really wanting it painted if the hull doesnt wash up like new. So might as well asess what ill need cos its getting done either way. I do 7 days on 7 days off in my job so time isnt too much of an issue. Cant take longer than a week to paint a hull surely??

I would use International Toplac with Prekote undercoat. You need to flat down and clean the GRP, fill and fair all the inevitable kicks and scrapes using a fairing filler such as Teroson, Prekote then fill and fair again, then Toplac. As suggested earlier International (and other makers such as Hempel or Epifanes) have plenty of information on painting on their websites. You don't need Chlorinated rubber - that is one method of priming underwater surfaces before antifouling, although probably not necessary for your little boat. You can probably just clean the bottom and antifoul.

 

[Rabchef]

I would use International Toplac with Prekote undercoat. You need to flat down and clean the GRP, fill and fair all the inevitable kicks and scrapes using a fairing filler such as Teroson, Prekote then fill and fair again, then Toplac. As suggested earlier International (and other makers such as Hempel or Epifanes) have plenty of information on painting on their websites. You don't need Chlorinated rubber - that is one method of priming underwater surfaces before antifouling, although probably not necessary for your little boat. You can probably just clean the bottom and antifoul.

Got you (kind of) ... I must have missed that suggestion before on painting guides, ill have a look the now though at the sites you suggested. I mean if she cleans up well i might be ok as people have said. Certainly be nice if it was just a case of clean and get her in the water but knowing my luck it wont be so easy

 

[Rabchef]

Hi Rabchef
Looking for an anchor and rode is a good safety move to start.

But Ladyinbed's question , Does it have a working engine? is really, really important.

Working means 100% reliable.
Not a cheapy that starts occasionally.

The plan will maybe ti go up to 7/8hp

4/ 5 HP would be fine.

gary

Yeah i was only considering the 7/8hp incase i wanted to take her out in choppier water or trying to get her back in harbour when the rivers maybe running a bit higher if i ever get caught out. 4hp is defo fine for that boat though from what ive read. Just a few people saying a couple horses in the bank prevents the engine running full pelt all the time and is handy for sticker situations fighting water ?

 

[Stemar]

My mates acquired me a 10 or 15kg CQR for free.

That's bigger than you need, but I'd call it sorted for now, as long as you've got a strong back and it fits where it needs to.

4hp will push that boat along nicely. my 3.6 could push my 24ft Snapdragon in most conditions Upwind in F6-7 was hard work, but you won't want to be out in those conditions. On a tiny budget, use what you've got, but when the time comes to spend money on an OB, you'll want a long shaft so the prop has a better chance of staying underwater when it gets bumpy.

Having said that, you may find you've been bitten by the sailing bug and want to go further afield. If that happens, (future you will be a good deal richer if it doesn't ) it would be worth thinking about whether you want to spend on this boat, or make do and save until you can afford something a bit bigger.

 

[Neeves]

For sailing skills - North Sails did some excellent sailing vids, which might be on you tube - from memory they were fimled on a J-24, with Ken Read (which shows how old they are). The lessons have not changed even if the J24 is now a bit dated and I am sure there will be other vids. But its a good place to start

You will get more out of a Day Skipper course if you spend some time watching a few instructional vids in advance (and if you are game - making some small mistakes of your own out on the water). I confess I have not watched any instructional vids for decades (and cannot stand most amateur YouTube offerings) - maybe someone here will be up to date on what is available and useful

Your 10kg or 15 kg CQR is a good acquisition - it will keep you fit so you can save money by cancelling your gym subscription . They are far too big for your yacht. Keep you eye out on eBay for a Rocna or Supreme and a small Fortress (the first 2 at around 8kg the Fortress at around 4kg - someone might want to get rid because they bought one too small (or too big).

Jonathan

 

[PCUK]

Floor paint is fine if it is two pack. Single pack is rubbish on floors even, two pack however is extremely durable. If you do need to paint then any good oil based paint will work well.

 

[Rabchef]

That's bigger than you need, but I'd call it sorted for now, as long as you've got a strong back and it fits where it needs to.

4hp will push that boat along nicely. my 3.6 could push my 24ft Snapdragon in most conditions Upwind in F6-7 was hard work, but you won't want to be out in those conditions. On a tiny budget, use what you've got, but when the time comes to spend money on an OB, you'll want a long shaft so the prop has a better chance of staying underwater when it gets bumpy.

Having said that, you may find you've been bitten by the sailing bug and want to go further afield. If that happens, (future you will be a good deal richer if it doesn't ) it would be worth thinking about whether you want to spend on this boat, or make do and save until you can afford something a bit bigger.

Yeah i was just up seeing my mates (hurley 20) cabins certainly a tad more cramped than i envisioned. Mines also seems to have a flatter squarer bottom than his too. Which is a good thinf for towing tbh. My trailer doesnt have a bow support so the lower centre of gravity should make her easier to strap down. I think the jet wash and go for it is looking more likely, potter around inside for the summer tidying up and see whats what. I defo wanna do some form of restoration though to learn. But yeah. It seems to be the general concencus to just get her launched. ??

 

[Rabchef]

Floor paint is fine if it is two pack. Single pack is rubbish on floors even, two pack however is extremely durable. If you do need to paint then any good oil based paint will work well.

Sounds like a plan. I did look in to a few options online and aiming high im looking at 150 to do it correctly and have enough left over for a touch up a year or 2 down the line... ill just get in to it for now. Ill upload photos after a jet wash

 

[Daydream believer]

Agree. Don't bother with paint. It is GRP which does not need painting for protection. Slapping on garage floor paint is a complete waste of time. It will do nothing to preserve the boat and look awful - and it is NOT the same as proper yacht paint, except similar to that used for painting the bilges!

A lot of boat builders used floor paint for the white gel sides inside the boats to brighten them up. It does work, provided it is not a cheepo brand. It can brighten up an otherwise dull interior. I have used it in the heads of our club committee boat with success. I painted the inside hull of my last Stella between the ribs with it That was over the west resin that I had applied to the entire inside .before I fitted it out internally. The white sides, with varnished oak ribs looked great.
But I certainly would not try it on the outside any more than I would use ordinary household gloss paint externally.
One of our new club members bought a small boat & decided to brighten the decks so having a quantity of blue erodable antifoul paint spare , he used that on his decks.
He never actually sailed the boat, but sold it to another new member, who went sailing in this "smart" looking boat. He came back with himself & kids covered in blue paint. It was a year before he could use the boat again & took him ages to get it all off.

 

[Rabchef]

A lot of boat builders used floor paint for the white gel sides inside the boats to brighten them up. It does work, provided it is not a cheepo brand. It can brighten up an otherwise dull interior. I have used it in the heads of our club committee boat with success. I painted the inside hull of my last Stella between the ribs with it That was over the west resin that I had applied to the entire inside .before I fitted it out internally. The white sides, with varnished oak ribs looked great.
But I certainly would not try it on the outside any more than I would use ordinary household gloss paint externally.
One of our new club members bought a small boat & decided to brighten the decks so having a quantity of blue erodable antifoul paint spare , he used that on his decks.
He never actually sailed the boat, but sold it to another new member, who went sailing in this "smart" looking boat. He came back with himself & kids covered in blue paint. It was a year before he could use the boat again & took him ages to get it all off.

Fortunately ive no rug rats to worry abouut turning in to smurfs but duly noted lol!
Yeah im just gonae jet wash her. See where im at as ive not even viewed her. Im going on blind hope. ? ... Shes floating though. Always been in fresh water... was mean to be good to go before left stood. At least 2.5 years that im aware of, and defo longer. Theres another post in here about same boat under "hurley alacrity" was free to anyone who could trailer her away. Im getting it with a trailer though. So yeah if i can get the essentials together ill hopefully be sailing by march

 

[V1701]

Re gutting & replacing inside wood - unless it's well & truly rotten I really wouldn't if I were you. I've had good results with minimal preparation on tired wooden interiors, including varnished surfaces. Start with a good clean, then a quick sand to give a key for Zinsser BIN which is a shellac based paint that adheres very well to just about anything, even hard, shiny surfaces. Topcoat with bathroom paint. Really refreshes and brightens things up down below, video showing before & after here...

 

[Wansworth]

End our not to try todo too much at once especially dismantling stuff

 

[Rabchef]

Re gutting & replacing inside wood - unless it's well & truly rotten I really wouldn't if I were you. I've had good results with minimal preparation on tired wooden interiors, including varnished surfaces. Start with a good clean, then a quick sand to give a key for Zinsser BIN which is a shellac based paint that adheres very well to just about anything, even hard, shiny surfaces. Topcoat with bathroom paint. Really refreshes and brightens things up down below, video showing before & after here...

Nice one! Cheers for the link,,. Yeah itll be more a pottering than gutting. Basically ill just plod away doing wee bits here and there. Paint suggestion sounds good. As far as im aware the interior wood is rotten though. Ill just need to wait and see what im dealing with. If mouldy and rotten ill need to have some plan of attack.

 

[Rabchef]

End our not to try todo too much at once especially dismantling stuff

Yeah! Thats a certainty. Ive seen thd "seawitch" refurb blog. Theres a fair bit of work once things start getting ripped out. So yeah, itll be gradual fix up rather than ripping it all out

 

[Rabchef]

For sailing skills - North Sails did some excellent sailing vids, which might be on you tube - from memory they were fimled on a J-24, with Ken Read (which shows how old they are). The lessons have not changed even if the J24 is now a bit dated and I am sure there will be other vids. But its a good place to start

You will get more out of a Day Skipper course if you spend some time watching a few instructional vids in advance (and if you are game - making some small mistakes of your own out on the water). I confess I have not watched any instructional vids for decades (and cannot stand most amateur YouTube offerings) - maybe someone here will be up to date on what is available and useful

Your 10kg or 15 kg CQR is a good acquisition - it will keep you fit so you can save money by cancelling your gym subscription . They are far too big for your yacht. Keep you eye out on eBay for a Rocna or Supreme and a small Fortress (the first 2 at around 8kg the Fortress at around 4kg - someone might want to get rid because they bought one too small (or too big).

Jonathan

Yeah ill have a nosey at those vids. Defo up for some time on the water first.
Re: anchor, its maybe lb, I did ask mate what weight but awaiting reply, he says its an old school anchor (like popeyes arm tattoos) so ive picked him up wrong there with the cqr (or whatever it was) ... Its a starting point and he reckons itll be fine for me the now.

 

[Neeves]

Yeah ill have a nosey at those vids. Defo up for some time on the water first.
Re: anchor, its maybe lb, I did ask mate what weight but awaiting reply, he says its an old school anchor (like popeyes arm tattoos) so ive picked him up wrong there with the cqr (or whatever it was) ... Its a starting point and he reckons itll be fine for me the now.

The danger with older style anchors are that, Fishermans, have no hold and CQRs can be difficult to set reliably. Both can discourage you from anchoring. But most of us honed our skills with a CQR - and we are still here.

I think the suggestion for your yacht of 6mm chain is correct but see if you can scavenge chain to start with. If its too big an anchor then you will find it impossible to source a shackle small enough for the chain and sized to fit the anchor. This will mean you need 2 shackles - you then end up with paying more for the shackles than the anchor is worth. So if its a bit big, the anchor, use a shorter length of larger chain, 8mm, then one shackle should fit both. Remember to mouse the shackle

Longer term you can spend some 'real' money (big stuff) but that might be a bigger yacht. When you consider sprucing up the current vessel think in terms of what a buyer of your exisiting yacht will value - do it properly and it will sell more easily. If you use domestic house pain (or whatever) it will show. Concerto, member here, did up a larger yacht = its a work of art and he has a yacht in which he can be proud. Tatty yachts look - tatty.

Keep asking the questions - that's what the forum is for - you have to sort out what is right for you - and there is never one single right answer.

Good luck

Jonathan

 

[Rabchef]

The danger with older style anchors are that, Fishermans, have no hold and CQRs can be difficult to set reliably. Both can discourage you from anchoring. But most of us honed our skills with a CQR - and we are still here.

I think the suggestion for your yacht of 6mm chain is correct but see if you can scavenge chain to start with. If its too big an anchor then you will find it impossible to source a shackle small enough for the chain and sized to fit the anchor. This will mean you need 2 shackles - you then end up with paying more for the shackles than the anchor is worth. So if its a bit big, the anchor, use a shorter length of larger chain, 8mm, then one shackle should fit both. Remember to mouse the shackle

Longer term you can spend some 'real' money (big stuff) but that might be a bigger yacht. When you consider sprucing up the current vessel think in terms of what a buyer of your exisiting yacht will value - do it properly and it will sell more easily. If you use domestic house pain (or whatever) it will show. Concerto, member here, did up a larger yacht = its a work of art and he has a yacht in which he can be proud. Tatty yachts look - tatty.

Keep asking the questions - that's what the forum is for - you have to sort out what is right for you - and there is never one single right answer.

Good luck

Jonathan

Yeah, anchor kits with rope and chain on ebay are like 50 bucks. I can chuck a ton a month at it give or take id imagine. Ill defo pick up stuff nexts months pay with aim of getting it water march/april. Ill let her air out for a bit and defo have to do some basic cab work to make comfortable for over nighters.
Agree with the resale aspect! Thats why im wanting to do some form of resto.

 

[Stemar]

you have to sort out what is right for you - and there is never one single right answer.

If I've learned one thing in over 20 years on these forums, it's that!

One person says "Do it this way", then there'll be two more who will promise a horrible death if you do, you have to do it that way. No that'll destroy your boat, do this other way. Chances are apart from the jeremiads, they're all right for their circumstances.

 

[Rabchef]

If I've learned one thing in over 20 years on these forums, it's that!

One person says "Do it this way", then there'll be two more who will promise a horrible death if you do, you have to do it that way. No that'll destroy your boat, do this other way. Chances are apart from the jeremiads, they're all right for their circumstances.

Such is life in general.... Basically, finding out what works for me is exactly my plan of attack. As most people have suggested, I will clean her up and see what ive got to work with. Fish finder arrived today (piranaha 2x for £30 ebay) along with trailer lights and deck scrubber for topside) will order a radio up on pay day. If the inside wood is solid enough to just paint (or clean) and go then all the better, same for hull. If it cleans up nicely ill just look at getting a summer out her then paint at end of season. Im pretty confident ill like it. My goals this summer are; Ailsa craig, arran, maybe cambletown and potentially isle of man for the TT if i can make the first 3 without sinking! Initially itll be Girvan bay fishing trips and sail practice.

 

[jamie N]

Whilst I admire your IOM ambition , a trip to Campbeltown and overnighting alongside there, before back home the next day, would be a good achievement and great fun.
Will you be keeping her in the water at Girvan, or using her as a 'trailer sailer' from there?