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Very disappointed to find that Lord M has decreed that the gate to Beaulieu Village Quay shall be locked and all access to the public denied. A potter up river from Bucklers Hard in the tender/scow was always a highlight of our visits, preferably with breakfast at the Garden Centre of follow. Now the only landing up-river from Bucklers Hard is at Baileys Hard, some 20 minutes walk from the village centre. Not in itself a problem but it was always nice to arrive at the limit of navigation for a tidal stop.
 
That will make it handy for boaties wanting (overpriced) provisions from the Disneyland village then :rolleyes: I love Beaulieu and the new management is certainly making improvements but the surrounding services, that awful pub, no local shops, let it down.
 
dunedin said:
Perhaps it's time that England put in place the rights of access laws enjoyed by most of the more enlightened civilisations such as Scandinavia. Scotland etc.
Really beneficial law change worth replicating
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Yes, when you read stuff like this you realize how much we take access for granted and how fortunate we are.
 
alant said:
We don't actually have access to the Beaulieu River, stop for any fraction of time, touch anything solid like the bank or river bed & you will pay for the priviledge.
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A friend once tied alongside people they knew for a lunch stop and was charge the full mooring rate. The Solent is tiger country.
 
dunedin said:
Perhaps it's time that England put in place the rights of access laws enjoyed by most of the more enlightened civilisations such as Scandinavia. Scotland etc.
Really beneficial law change worth replicating
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Do you have a really nice garden that I and my friends can come and wander round? Drop us a line with the address and we will be round, sometime.:encouragement:
 
JumbleDuck said:
Gardens are excluded.
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I should have read up on the subject before throwing out capitalist remarks into the tangled waters of the forum! Having spent an educational half hour reading bits of your access code, I remain unconvinced that anything like it could work equitably in much of England. Two major differences: population density and the history of land ownership.
A quick google comes up with population densities of :
Norway 16 persons per square kilometre
Sweden 22
Scotland 68
England 413.
In Scotland you have the history of the savage Highland clearances, which naturally had left a legacy of dissatisfaction with the current shape of land ownership. Nothing to compare with that in England, where most land has been owned "fairly" for many years.

I will take another look at the history of the Beaulieu estate later tonight, ready for the anticipated flood of comments on how that should be broken up!
 
Resolution said:
I should have read up on the subject before throwing out capitalist remarks into the tangled waters of the forum! Having spent an educational half hour reading bits of your access code, I remain unconvinced that anything like it could work equitably in much of England. Two major differences: population density and the history of land ownership.
A quick google comes up with population densities of :
Norway 16 persons per square kilometre
Sweden 22
Scotland 68
England 413.
In Scotland you have the history of the savage Highland clearances, which naturally had left a legacy of dissatisfaction with the current shape of land ownership. Nothing to compare with that in England, where most land has been owned "fairly" for many years.

I will take another look at the history of the Beaulieu estate later tonight, ready for the anticipated flood of comments on how that should be broken up!
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The major plus about the Beaulieu Estate, is that it has preserved a beautiful landscape from ending up like Southampton Water, with docks/industry everywhere.
 
Resolution said:
I should have read up on the subject before throwing out capitalist remarks into the tangled waters of the forum! Having spent an educational half hour reading bits of your access code, I remain unconvinced that anything like it could work equitably in much of England. Two major differences: population density and the history of land ownership.
A quick google comes up with population densities of :
Norway 16 persons per square kilometre
Sweden 22
Scotland 68
England 413.
In Scotland you have the history of the savage Highland clearances, which naturally had left a legacy of dissatisfaction with the current shape of land ownership. Nothing to compare with that in England, where most land has been owned "fairly" for many years.

I will take another look at the history of the Beaulieu estate later tonight, ready for the anticipated flood of comments on how that should be broken up!
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Don't knock it unless you have tried / experienced the enlightened land rights of access systems in Scandinavia, Scotland etc.
This thread started with the OP complaining of not being able to access.
Highland clearances etc not really relevant. Scottish laws apply in Lowlands and around major cities as well.
Lovely not being hectored by "no landing" signs everywhere.
But as said, don't knock it till you've tried it
 
dunedin said:
Don't knock it unless you have tried / experienced the enlightened land rights of access systems in Scandinavia, Scotland etc.
This thread started with the OP complaining of not being able to access.
Highland clearances etc not really relevant. Scottish laws apply in Lowlands and around major cities as well.
Lovely not being hectored by "no landing" signs everywhere.
But as said, don't knock it till you've tried it
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Certainly in Denmark, the public have access to anyones land along a shoreline. You are only able to transit, not able to stop for picnics.
 
Population density is a red herring, the same law applies and works to the benefit of the people throughout Scotland, in the wild lands of Sutherland, the farming lands in Perthshire and the cities and towns of the Central Belt, land owners have adapted to cope very well with it. Householders can define the curtilage of their dwelling where intrusion is not permitted, many, including most crofters do not bother so virtually all the coast is accessible.
I has helped to postpone the revolution.
 
Malabar said:
Very disappointed to find that Lord M has decreed that the gate to Beaulieu Village Quay shall be locked and all access to the public denied. A potter up river from Bucklers Hard in the tender/scow was always a highlight of our visits, preferably with breakfast at the Garden Centre of follow. Now the only landing up-river from Bucklers Hard is at Baileys Hard, some 20 minutes walk from the village centre. Not in itself a problem but it was always nice to arrive at the limit of navigation for a tidal stop.
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If it's the top of the tide just climb out onto the grass 'park' by the Bridge.
 
Resolution said:
In Scotland you have the history of the savage Highland clearances, which naturally had left a legacy of dissatisfaction with the current shape of land ownership. Nothing to compare with that in England, where most land has been owned "fairly" for many years.
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You have the equally obnoxious history of the enclosures acts, under which vast areas of commonly owned land were taken into private ownership. Absolutely nothing fair about that!

I agree, though, that our Right to Roam legislation would open up a much smaller proportion of England.
 
Stemar said:
I think they'd have trouble getting a container ship round the bend by Lepe House :)
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In the 18th century it was the industrial centre of the Solent when the forest was denuded of oak trees to build warships for the navy. Bucklers Hard was an industrial site to rival any in the Midlands at the time.
 
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