Bayliner 245 or Sealine 23/25

Bigplumbs said:
Yes would be very close

Dennis
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I don't think it would be close, I think it would be impossible. All boats are heavier than the brochure weight. You could never put that boat on a trailer and keep it under 3500kg unless you stripped it out first. I had a 3000kg rated trailer and even that weighed 600kg.
 
Bigplumbs said:
Just looked at a few and not sure I like the circular seating arrangement at the back and also they are stretching my budget a bit too much especially as I would need a trailer

Dennis
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Having extensively experienced both S23 and 805, I would choose the 805 in a heartbeat, even if there were extra works to be done. The seating area in the cockpit it much more sociable as it can seat many more people.

The 805 is also much less 'tippy' and more fun (easier) to drive. With the S23 you'll constantly be adjusting the trim tabs if there's any weight shift. Don't ask how I know!
 
alt said:
Having extensively experienced both S23 and 805, I would choose the 805 in a heartbeat, even if there were extra works to be done. The seating area in the cockpit it much more sociable as it can seat many more people.

The 805 is also much less 'tippy' and more fun (easier) to drive. With the S23 you'll constantly be adjusting the trim tabs if there's any weight shift. Don't ask how I know!
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Yes but if it is too heavy to tow it is a non starter for me I am afraid
 
I think at 2.98m, the 805 might be too beamy to tow leagally too. It used to be 2.3m trailer width with 0.3m overhang either side for a total 2.9m, but it seems that now it is simply 2.55m. I can't see anything about overhangs on the width In the new rules.

IMHO, you can't compare the S23 with the 805. They are just too different. I know it's a different era, but the 805 is more like the old Sealine 255.
 
CLB said:
I think at 2.98m, the 805 might be too beamy to tow leagally too. It used to be 2.3m trailer width with 0.3m overhang either side for a total 2.9m, but it seems that now it is simply 2.55m. I can't see anything about overhangs on the width In the new rules.
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305 overhang to max width of 2.9 still allowed according to NTTA.
 
dpb said:
305 overhang to max width of 2.9 still allowed according to NTTA.
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Ok, that's useful. Stil 8cm too wide, but doubt anyone would spot that. Now, how to get the boat on a trailer and keep it under 3500kg? Could go for an aluminium trailer like this http://www.geckotrailers.co.uk/double-axel-to-3500kg/3500kg-21-to-25ft-twin-axel
Weighs 465kg, so brings the brochure weight up to 3355kg. Would need to check, but often brochure weight doesn't include any fluids, oil in engines, steering fluid etc, batteries or even canopy. It also won't include any options, that may not be removable. Would need to remove anchor and chain, fenders, ropes, all personal possessions. Would also need to make sure fuel, water and waste tanks were as near to empty as possible. It might, just might, be possible, if the brochure weight is accurate, to keep it under 3500kg, but it won't be practical given the amount of stuff you would almost certainly have to remove.

Of course, you could ignore the limit, like the width, and push your luck a little bit, but if the manure hits the windmill, the book will certainly be thrown in the direction of the person towing.
 
petem said:
Dennis, I see this month's Motorboat Owner online mag had a feature on the S23/25.
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Many thanks indeed for pointing this out. I just downloaded the mag and read the article which was and is very helpful

Good luck with your new to you boat by the way

Dennis
 
CLB said:
Ok, that's useful. Stil 8cm too wide, but doubt anyone would spot that. Now, how to get the boat on a trailer and keep it under 3500kg? Could go for an aluminium trailer like this http://www.geckotrailers.co.uk/double-axel-to-3500kg/3500kg-21-to-25ft-twin-axel
Weighs 465kg, so brings the brochure weight up to 3355kg. Would need to check, but often brochure weight doesn't include any fluids, oil in engines, steering fluid etc, batteries or even canopy. It also won't include any options, that may not be removable. Would need to remove anchor and chain, fenders, ropes, all personal possessions. Would also need to make sure fuel, water and waste tanks were as near to empty as possible. It might, just might, be possible, if the brochure weight is accurate, to keep it under 3500kg, but it won't be practical given the amount of stuff you would almost certainly have to remove.

Of course, you could ignore the limit, like the width, and push your luck a little bit, but if the manure hits the windmill, the book will certainly be thrown in the direction of the person towing.
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I doubt you would get it under the weight. We had our S23 towed up to Scotland recently and that was right on the limit even though the advertised dry weight is only 2400kg.

It doesn't take long to add the extra weight with a few additional extras over standard spec and some cruising kit.

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It was a long run up to Scotland but well worth it for the scenery.

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That slipway earns its name and looks incredibly slippery. Recovering at high water there looks favourite

Dennis
 
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