Bavaria ocean 47

[jonjo]

Re: Not bad, agreed

Sure a Moody 36 is a decent boat but I am fed up with the attitude that says "it's British built and over 25 years old, therefore it must be a superb boat".

There are many design and manufacturing deficiencies in yachts of this vintage that I see corrected in my Bavaria Match 35.

Take cockpit ergonomics for example, many sailors want to sit out to windward for a period of focussed windward helming. This is painful or impossible in many trad designs, I notice that the Hunter Mystery 35 continues this tradition and only one British sailing magazine was prepared to raise the issue. By contrast my Match 35 cockpit is an ergonomic delight.

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[brianhumber]

Re: Not bad, agreed

Hi jonjo,

had a day's jolly in a match 35 around the Solent. Enjoyed it very much, but being a fat old git found the area around the wheel and cockpit sides a bit congested - too used to the Baraccuda's vast cockpit I suppose.

However she went well as expected. Owner had fitted those Ticktock wireless instruments, I was interested to see one had not turned off overnight and therefore did not work unitl the sun got on its panel.

Am not goinjg to get into the classic verus modern debate as I feel its very up to the type of person, time available and where one wants to sail too as to the best type of vessel to choose.

Brian

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[jonjo]

Re: Not bad, agreed

Thanks for the report, I had to order mine based largely on the paper design.

Up to a couple of years ago I would have called the Match 35 helm a daft big racing wheel. After a test sail I think the large diameter wheel is going to work for me. Getting around the wheel is a bit of a squeeze granted, but probably no more of a palaver than exchanging a tiller heeled at 20 degrees going to windward.

I have studied the cockpit design of equivalent boats and they all seem to be converging at a design consensus as demonstrated in the Match.

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[brianhumber]

Re: Not bad, agreed

As you say its interesting to note the trends over the years, I prefer a wheel as well and purely preference, one wheel to two. Have memories of my old UFO's tiller and the trapped legs etc that used ensue.

The owner was going to suggest a minor mod to the mainsheet block jammer arrangement as the gel coat in that area seemed to be vunerable to easy damage by the block jumping around when dropping sails. He had taped some protection on and was taking the realistic view that with a brand new design there would be a few niggles to resolve.

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[Guest]

Re: Moody 36 negatives

Left it tolater to step in ...

Jonjo - where will the Match be based ??

As you already are aware - there will be a new boat arriving UK later and I'd be willing to let you at it - would be interesting to see your comments then ..... plus of course a 'round the cans' comparison ?? (Import date not fixed yet ...... but its coming ....)


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[Gunfleet]

Re: Moody 36 negatives

If they were built as well as a VW Passat they'd be good for 1/4 million miles before major repair and every taxi driver in England would want one!

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[Bergman]

Re: Not bad, agreed

Slow down

I have never sailed either boat so not getting involved.

Just couldn't resist a facecious comment.

Its one of my many weaknesses





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[Sea Devil]

Re: Not bad, agreed

not quite sure what cockpit ergonomics are - in my stongly built oldish but very comfortable moody I curl up in the corner of the cockpit next to the hydrovane control line, read a paperback and give the lines the occaisional tweak. Look round occaisionally and keep out of the sun. Is that ergonomic?

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[jonjo]

Re: Moody 36 negatives

> where will the Match be based ??

A Portsmouth marina, I have a few months yet to decide which one. The new boat will be ready to sail away in January so I expect to be able to muscle in somewhere for a season at that time of year.

> As you already are aware - there will be a new boat arriving UK later and
> I'd be willing to let you at it - would be interesting to see your comments then

I'd be happy to participate. I feel the standard Yachting Monthly yacht review formula is tedious these days and we are long overdue some of those late 70's styled one of a kind rallies.

It would be good to get a Maxi 1100, J109, Dehler 34, Match 35 and your new design together along with private owners for a comparative review. I have a lot of respect for the new Sailing Today policy of reviewing example yachts after 6+ months of private ownership.

> plus of course a 'round the cans' comparison ??

I would not do the Match 35 justice in such a competitive review process, for example I am seriously thinking about suiting with a pair of Dacron sales for the first two seasons on the basis that I will be going through a big learning curve. Also my competitive interests lie towards two handed passage racing under IRC so I will eventually buy racing sails that will not be so competitive when fully crewed going to windward around the cans.

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[Guest]

Jonjo ....... to cont.

nluther@solent-life.co.uk

I think this can develop interestingly and as you can imagine things are commercial at moment and not for public digest.

Try my direct e-mail and we sort out some bits ?



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[Oldhand]

How did a post asking about a Bav 47 turn into a manufacturere's sales sheet for a Bav Match 35 written by someone who hasn't even sailed it yet?

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[tcm]

Not sure. Anyway, i reckon a big blimmin boat like 47 feet will be ok, really. I mean, it won't be as long-lasting as an Oyster, but er it will cost about one-fifth the price so four of them in succession might ...

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[robp]

I haven't read every single post so someone might have mentioned this already. But don't the Bavaria "Ocean" series have a much heavier and generally better equipment spec than the later cruisers?

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[jonjo]

If you study the time-line of this thread you will note that before I posted, a Moody 36 owner entered the thread and pronounced that the major AWB designs were unsuitable for blue water cruising though he did acknowledge they get around.

Someone else then accused this poster of holding bigoted views.

The Moody 36 owner then asked what was wrong with his boat, so I gave him a highly objective critique of his boat and designs of that vintage. Please note that my criticism of older boats was more focussed than the anti AWB mud slinging that routinely takes place at YBW.

I have sailed a Match 35 and spent many hours crawling over two early production examples. I have also spent 100's of hours looking over secondhand yachts aged between 15 and 30 years.

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[ceeagr]

Well I think my J109 is much better than your Moody 36 or Match 35..............head down now for expected incoming fire!!!!!

;-)

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[jonjo]

I would not take issue with the J109 claim.

As someone at the cruising end of the Match 35 marketplace I think the open transom will take some getting use to personally. I like the optional J109 drop-in dockbox particularly the way it closes off the stern and provides an extra cockpit locker as a bonus.

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[Oldhand]

No keep your head high, I totally agree with you.

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