Bavaria Graveyard

Sailfree said:
Rossynant - Appreciate your contribution but as a new forum member you may be missing what the english would call irony or sarcasm intended with this thread. [...]
My original post was intentionally stupid as everyone knows that these cheap Bavarias serve their intended market very well and there is no graveyard full of broken Bavarias.
Hence it is not expected to post reasonable replies on this thread - eg just mention when you risked your life by sailing outside a breakwater in 6kts of wind in a Bavaria - we English would understand!
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Yep. And I post here for fun, anyway. - 15 C outside here...
Might mention when I risked my life on AWB, but it was not Bavaria, deeply sorry. :p
This was reasonable answer to Tranona, since he quoted me. Well, I'm greatly amused with this here forum, quite funny.

But then I actually have been in a boatyard in Germany (my parts anyway) - so have seen Bavaria graveyard with my own eyes ;)

Your original question was not so ironical as you might have thought...
 
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Woodlouse said:
While a fair few will have inevitably been sailed across the atlantic I suspect very few will have gone around the world. It would take a brave man to sail one in the southern ocean. It would be interesting to know how many have visited Port Stanley.
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The number of yachts of any kind that have visited Port Stanley is tiny. However I once owned one an Osprey which was sailed all round the Falkland by the person I bought it from.
 
Tranona said:
The number of yachts of any kind that have visited Port Stanley is tiny. However I once owned one an Osprey which was sailed all round the Falkland by the person I bought it from.
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Here are a couple from 1987. Drascombe Drifters 'British Freedom' and 'Richard Banfield', Choiseul Sound, Falkland Islands between Mare Harbour and Walker Creek.

They are now with Neptune, i think the service boys had a rough time with them - shame!

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Shame to hear about the Bavs but they can't all be bad surely as the company would have gone under years ago. Are they all made by the same yard/manufacturer I wonder?
 
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Rossynant said:
Why mistake? I already said here I would charter Bavaria myself. But charter. Would not buy it myself, but because cannot afford new one, and old "post charter" I'd suspect of being fatigued..
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That is not the case - just the opposite. One of the reasons why Bavarias are so popular as charter boats - not just in the med is that they stand up very well to hard use. My 2001 Bavaria 37 spent 7 years as a charter boat in the Ionian and nothing of any note broke or fell off. I still have it having brought it to the UK from Greece and it is still functioning very well. I bought it new - it was good value then and will be even better value for the person I sell it to.
 
I'd like to visit the Bavaria graveyard but having a long keel motor sailer it will take me 3 years to travel the 10 miles to get there.
 
Tranona said:
That is not the case - just the opposite. One of the reasons why Bavarias are so popular as charter boats - not just in the med is that they stand up very well to hard use. My 2001 Bavaria 37 spent 7 years as a charter boat in the Ionian and nothing of any note broke or fell off. I still have it having brought it to the UK from Greece and it is still functioning very well. I bought it new - it was good value then and will be even better value for the person I sell it to.
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You know your boat. So she is a good value I believe. I've seen a few charter boats for sale with issues, might have been a reason for sale in fact. Happens with any kind.
 
Rossynant said:
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Yep. And I post here for fun, anyway. - 15 C outside here...
Might mention when I risked my life on AWB, but it was not Bavaria, deeply sorry. :p
This was reasonable answer to Tranona, since he quoted me. Well, I'm greatly amused with this here forum, quite funny.

But then I actually have been in a boatyard in Germany (my parts anyway) - so have seen Bavaria graveyard with my own eyes ;)

Your original question was not so ironical as you might have thought...
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Touché.....
 
Ha, things got so bad they let a 15 year old girl circumnavigate in an old Jeanneau.
Maybe her parents didn't care, by letting her set off in such a soap dish.

I think they weigh about the same as a Bav, and also built by devious foreign Johnnies
 
Sailfree said:
For completeness Stingo did sail his Beneteau across the Atlantic but decided on a Catamaran would be more comfortable for the rest of his sailing!

Hence it is not expected to post reasonable replies on this thread - eg just mention when you risked your life by sailing outside a breakwater in 6kts of wind in a Bavaria - we English would understand!
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And another forumite bought it in the West Indies and brought it back.
Phew, they were lucky then.
 
Zagato said:
Shame to hear about the Bavs but they can't all be bad surely as the company would have gone under years ago. Are they all made by the same yard/manufacturer I wonder?
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They did go under in 2007 when their debt was taken over by Bain Capital (Mitt Romney's mob) who made a loss and passed the debt to Oak Tree and Anchorage.
Oaktree Capital Management bought about 40 per cent of Bavaria Yachtbau’s debt at about 35 per cent of face value from Goldman Sachs and had been in talks with Dresdner Bank, which was co-financier with Goldman of the €1.1bn deal in June 2007, over a debt restructuring.
However in August (2009), Anchorage Capital bought up Dresdner’s debt claims, and in total owned about 55 per cent of the outstanding debt for under half its face value.
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They now include Dufour and Grand Soleil in their portfolio.

What effect that has had on the actual product, I have no idea.
 
I lied, and I must apologise if anyone has taken offence.

In an earlier post I said that I was approaching 7 years of hassle free ownership of my Bav. This is wholly untrue and I feel that I must set the record straight.

Since day 1 of ownership I have had to deal with incessant ingress of dust into my bilges. Bavaria Yachtbau for some bizzare reasons decided to fit a bilge pump rather than a vacuum cleaner. Despite numerous requests to them to rectify this error, I have seen no action.

We also have seen a slow demise of storage space onboard. This has been caused by a build-up of unopened bleach bottles brought onboard to combat mould. Once again, no action from Bavaria or their agents is forthcoming.

Oh how I yearn for the days of old when I had to take the boat of out the water for many months every year to carry out winter maintenance. I now have to contend with 2 weekends.

Win some lose some but I guess I will just have to put it down to lack of experience, clearly because it was a silly decision to even consider a Bav.
 
WayneS said:
I lied, and I must apologise if anyone has taken offence.

In an earlier post I said that I was approaching 7 years of hassle free ownership of my Bav. This is wholly untrue and I feel that I must set the record straight.

Since day 1 of ownership I have had to deal with incessant ingress of dust into my bilges. Bavaria Yachtbau for some bizzare reasons decided to fit a bilge pump rather than a vacuum cleaner. Despite numerous requests to them to rectify this error, I have seen no action.
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Just a warning - check the bilge pump regularly. Had to replace mine after 11 years. Seized through lack of use!
 
One upside of the dusty bilges ... yes I have them too ... is that if someone spills a drink on the cabin sole, the dust acts like a cat litter and soaks the liquid up. Removal is then a quick wipe with a sponge.

No mushrooms though ... they seem to prefer the bilges of more classic types of boats ... the C word springs to mind.

Hello AWOL :rolleyes:
 
awol said:
They did go under in 2007 when their debt was taken over by Bain Capital (Mitt Romney's mob) who made a loss and passed the debt to Oak Tree and Anchorage.

They now include Dufour and Grand Soleil in their portfolio.

What effect that has had on the actual product, I have no idea.
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To be totally fair, that is nothing new in the marine industry. Sadler had their fair share of take overs. And Westerly phoenixed more times than I can remember, some of their quality was extremely questionable in their turbulent years.
 
I am deafened by the silence of the lack of replies from MAB owners! Surely they must know where this Bavaria graveyard is as they must need the spares as they are always repairing /renovating their MAB's. Rarely seen out actually sailing.

Silly Billy me the ones that are sailing are all mid ocean!!
 
Sailfree said:
I am deafened by the silence of the lack of replies from MAB owners! Surely they must know where this Bavaria graveyard is as they must need the spares as they are always repairing /renovating their MAB's. Rarely seen out actually sailing.

Silly Billy me the ones that are sailing are all mid ocean!!
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Well to fuel the fires of debate............. there's nothing worth scraping of an "old" Bav to put on my MAB as it would only fall to bit's quicker than the current 45 year old stuff. :)

C'mon MAB owners, I only said what you all were thinking......
 
Sailfree said:
I am deafened by the silence of the lack of replies from MAB owners! Surely they must know where this Bavaria graveyard is as they must need the spares as they are always repairing /renovating their MAB's. Rarely seen out actually sailing.

Silly Billy me the ones that are sailing are all mid ocean!!
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they just have not arrived yet. Still on route, tacking through 180 degrees to get here.
 
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