bg9208
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Anyone have any thoughts on the "Reinke" boats?. They seem to be sold as passage makers but they do have 3Tonne bilge keels. This seems to be an unpopular format for such a boat, is there a particular reason for this?
Bavaria, Beneteau or Jeanneau
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David52
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Hi All,
Just thought I'd chuck in my two penneth.
Have recently sailed a Bav 12,000 miles dual handed, with really no major incidents. Almost everywhere I went there were other Bavarias merrily making their way all over the place. This is not because of there great handling (big dinghy) or superb construction (lightweight and built to cost) but primarily because you get a hell of a lot of boat for your money.
I can vouch also for Older Jeanneaus, the 80s boats (Sun Fizz, Odyssey etc, were well constructed, solid and regularly transatlantic. But as mentioned Osmosis is likely, although I'm unfamiliar with many 25-30 year old GRP boats that have perfect hulls. As for modern Jeanneaus I can say that I remain underwhelmed, I have met a number of French Delivery crews taking boats from France to Seychelles, with bits literally falling off (including amusingly on a 36 footer I went aboard in Aden the 2 of the letters spelling Jeanneau on the coach roof had washed away!). These boats headed for the SunSail fleet were most certainly built to cost and although look pretty and have that spacious inviting cabin are not built to last.
Benneteau seems somewhere between the two, construction wise I have seen a 46 where the hull “oil canned” between the stringers, allegedly from new. Not my idea of strong construction, however these boats seem to have residual values, and are consequently less common. I sailed the South coast of Island in a chartered Oceanis 361, which was perfectly serviceable and seemed to have a better finish than either Bav or Jean.
One last thing If you are considering any of these high volume boats I strongly recommend a test sail, It appears to an accepted issue that with these “top loaded” boats (where fixtures, furniture, shower/heads compartments are dropped in complete the glued down) that things start to part company with the hull, even on relatively new or lightly used examples. This basically means that your shower room may be “floating” and moving independantly of the rest of the boat. These problems are not normally structural (don't lessen the integrity of the hull) but left unattended at best make a horrible noise as everything rubs and bangs about. These problems can easily be overlooked in a marina, but because of the original construction methods, can cost a considerable sum to make good.
Anyway good luck, whichever you decide to go with one thing is for sure, they are all mighty fine boats in the Marina!!
Cheers,
GB
Just thought I'd chuck in my two penneth.
Have recently sailed a Bav 12,000 miles dual handed, with really no major incidents. Almost everywhere I went there were other Bavarias merrily making their way all over the place. This is not because of there great handling (big dinghy) or superb construction (lightweight and built to cost) but primarily because you get a hell of a lot of boat for your money.
I can vouch also for Older Jeanneaus, the 80s boats (Sun Fizz, Odyssey etc, were well constructed, solid and regularly transatlantic. But as mentioned Osmosis is likely, although I'm unfamiliar with many 25-30 year old GRP boats that have perfect hulls. As for modern Jeanneaus I can say that I remain underwhelmed, I have met a number of French Delivery crews taking boats from France to Seychelles, with bits literally falling off (including amusingly on a 36 footer I went aboard in Aden the 2 of the letters spelling Jeanneau on the coach roof had washed away!). These boats headed for the SunSail fleet were most certainly built to cost and although look pretty and have that spacious inviting cabin are not built to last.
Benneteau seems somewhere between the two, construction wise I have seen a 46 where the hull “oil canned” between the stringers, allegedly from new. Not my idea of strong construction, however these boats seem to have residual values, and are consequently less common. I sailed the South coast of Island in a chartered Oceanis 361, which was perfectly serviceable and seemed to have a better finish than either Bav or Jean.
One last thing If you are considering any of these high volume boats I strongly recommend a test sail, It appears to an accepted issue that with these “top loaded” boats (where fixtures, furniture, shower/heads compartments are dropped in complete the glued down) that things start to part company with the hull, even on relatively new or lightly used examples. This basically means that your shower room may be “floating” and moving independantly of the rest of the boat. These problems are not normally structural (don't lessen the integrity of the hull) but left unattended at best make a horrible noise as everything rubs and bangs about. These problems can easily be overlooked in a marina, but because of the original construction methods, can cost a considerable sum to make good.
Anyway good luck, whichever you decide to go with one thing is for sure, they are all mighty fine boats in the Marina!!
Cheers,
GB
JamesFrance
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You say that a Halberdier is high on the list. These were built by Moody unlike the later mass produced boats. The boat in my avatar is a Cavalier, the deck saloon/aft cockpit version of the Halberdier and was my boat for most of the 70s.
The new price of that boat in 1970 when she was at Earls Court show was £17000. You could then have bought 2 new 4 bedroom houses for that in a good area.
My small Oceanis has a much greater waterline length, giving much more room for living. For the price there is no contest.
If I had money to burn I would think about buying a Jongert, but for my budget as a pensioner the Oceanis does a great job and should minimise upkeep costs.
The new price of that boat in 1970 when she was at Earls Court show was £17000. You could then have bought 2 new 4 bedroom houses for that in a good area.
My small Oceanis has a much greater waterline length, giving much more room for living. For the price there is no contest.
If I had money to burn I would think about buying a Jongert, but for my budget as a pensioner the Oceanis does a great job and should minimise upkeep costs.
Marsupial
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I noticed that they looked the same and shared similar dimensions so I spoke to Jeanneau and Waquierez, they said they both use the same hulls - Jeanneau own Waquierez and both are owned by the Bennetau Group - BUT the manufacturing process is (was) very different from that used on the Benneteau range. IMHO the hand laid method with integral stringers as employed by Jeanneau till 2004 is superior to other technologies. As they say time will tell.
Marsupial
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Agree, I have had two new Jeanneaus and can say I have been very impressed with both of them, however the Sunsail version of each is "cheaper". Winches are smaller, the quality of the interior is inferior. The modern manufacturing methods employed lend themselves to this type of differentiation. Try the sunsail version of anything at the boatshow (on the sunsail stand) then look at the owners version on the makers stand and note the differences - its no coincedence that Sunsail boats are branded Sunsail. BUT they do the job they were designed to do - stay together for 5 years and be cheap to maintain.
The Oceanis Cyclades range from Bennetau is the lightest construction I have seen "everywhere" for a long time - even the chainplate layout (bolted to the gunnal) inhibits sailability but means that the deck, hull and rig can be a much lighter (and hence cheaper) construction.
The Oceanis Cyclades range from Bennetau is the lightest construction I have seen "everywhere" for a long time - even the chainplate layout (bolted to the gunnal) inhibits sailability but means that the deck, hull and rig can be a much lighter (and hence cheaper) construction.