Seajet
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Phoenix,
that is one of many reasons why I rebought my A22, after owning and trying larger boats, ( 30 to 54' + goes on square riggers ) and found out the hard way that ' nothing feels like an Anderson ' !
Other people seem to agree...
Barber hauler.
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Phoenix,
that is one of many reasons why I rebought my A22, after owning and trying larger boats, ( 30 to 54' + goes on square riggers ) and found out the hard way that ' nothing feels like an Anderson ' !
Other people seem to agree...
Daydream believer
Well-Known Member
Phoenix,
that is one of many reasons why I rebought my A22, after owning and trying larger boats, ( 30 to 54' + goes on square riggers ) and found out the hard way that ' nothing feels like an Anderson ' !
Other people seem to agree...
But then an awful lot of people do not agree!!!!!!
Seajet
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Please supply a list of real sailors then, versus people who like unrewarding tubs with no feedback on the helm, carrying around a lot of funiture !
If a liveaboard it's a different set of priorities, as I found; weekend sails become near impossible as it means uprooting the flower vases - but when actually wanting to sail for enjoyment - and feedback on the tiller where the boat ' talks to you ' , the A22 has few rivals- see ' Owners' Comments ' on the website mentioned below.
My Boat is out of the water for the winter but you are welcome for a go next season, and in the meantime I can direct you to the reviews !View attachment 47160
If a liveaboard it's a different set of priorities, as I found; weekend sails become near impossible as it means uprooting the flower vases - but when actually wanting to sail for enjoyment - and feedback on the tiller where the boat ' talks to you ' , the A22 has few rivals- see ' Owners' Comments ' on the website mentioned below.
My Boat is out of the water for the winter but you are welcome for a go next season, and in the meantime I can direct you to the reviews !
View attachment 47160Daydream believer
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Please supply a list of real sailors then, versus people who like unrewarding tubs with no feedback on the helm, carrying around a lot of funiture !
If a liveaboard it's a different set of priorities, as I found; weekend sails become near impossible as it means uprooting the flower vases - but when actually wanting to sail for enjoyment - and feedback on the tiller where the boat ' talks to you ' , the A22 has few rivals- see ' Owners' Comments ' on the website mentioned below.
My Boat is out of the water for the winter but you are welcome for a go next season, and in the meantime I can direct you to the reviews !
If you are comparing it with a Carter 30 then yes the A22 is better. But lets face it the Carter 30 is an easy target for ridicule as far as performance is concerned.( I cannot comment about "feel") I have raced against a couple in my first Stella ( No 104 new & No 103 rebuilt as a hobby project) & left them standing in light airs
As far as competition with sailing quality & feel, then try a Stella. Not as fast as the A22, i suspect, but when venerable names such as Richard Mathews (who had a choice of boats up to 100ft) takes his dad's old Stella for Burnham week because he enjoyed sailing it so much then that must tell you something.
How about an Impala OOD. Fantastic piece of kit in its day & can still be seen performing well in club races. Are you telling me that an A22 is a better boat ( size for size of course)
I think that as long as you live in the past then an A22 may be all you aspire to.
However, I think my boat has excellent handling & feel & is a real "sailors" boat & i am sure many owners will think the same about theirs.
Some modern designs are really excellent sailing boats & some are excellent caravans & some a mix of the 2. If you go on the Hanse owners forum just see how the owners really love their sailing qualities (if not their build quality). I do not think any of them would give the A22 a second look.. Do you really think that it can hold a candle to some of the sub 30ft designs of today ( Crabbers etc excuded)
My wife sailed on our commodores A22 & tells me what a poor boat it is in respect of moving about on deck (great if you want a ski slope) & really small below. She had little respect for the outboard in the cockpit & wondered why on earth someone would want one . She was certainly not turned on by the lifting keel. To be honest she really does not enjoy sailing up some filthy, smelly, muddy, creek & i cannot blame her.
Not everyone can afford the latest design of modern yacht & make do with whatever suits their pocket & available time , nothing wrong with that. But do not tell us that an aged, cramped dinghy with a lid is anywhere near as good as some of the more modern boats on the market today, whether it be sailing quality or standard of interior design. Smaller boats may feel a little more skittish on the helm but that is more down to size than anything else.
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William_H
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Coming back from arguments about A22. I think it easier to describe the Barber Hauler as any additional tackle to change the sheeting point of the jib. Be it down or in or out.
So firstly a Barber Hauler is of no use unless you have a need for varying the jib sheeting easily. If you really want performance however with sheet eased off the wind the sheeting should be forward ie clue down which can be acheived by moving the jib sheet pulley or by a barber hauler. You may also benefit by having sheeting outboard in these conditions. So a Barber hauler hauling outward and down can make the jib a lot more efficient and table. Anout board barber hauler can go some way to substituting for a whisker pole when running down wind. However as said a Barber Hauler can also pull sheeting in toward centre line when beating which may improve pointing into the wind.
Finally if you are sailing often with rolls in a furling jib then the sheeting should be further forward than full jib. This can be effected by a Barber Hauler.
good luck olewill
So firstly a Barber Hauler is of no use unless you have a need for varying the jib sheeting easily. If you really want performance however with sheet eased off the wind the sheeting should be forward ie clue down which can be acheived by moving the jib sheet pulley or by a barber hauler. You may also benefit by having sheeting outboard in these conditions. So a Barber hauler hauling outward and down can make the jib a lot more efficient and table. Anout board barber hauler can go some way to substituting for a whisker pole when running down wind. However as said a Barber Hauler can also pull sheeting in toward centre line when beating which may improve pointing into the wind.
Finally if you are sailing often with rolls in a furling jib then the sheeting should be further forward than full jib. This can be effected by a Barber Hauler.
good luck olewill
Seajet
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DaydreamBeliever,
if you happen to know a clueless lady who doesn't appreciate the roomiest interior going for a 22' performance boat, and an elegantly simple lift keel, that's your mutual problem !
The Carter 30 is quite a fast boat, mine won the Burnham Open funnily enough, about 1985 when she was called Naoussa.
I have sailed much larger and faster boats, including high performance dinghies since aged 8 and a chief instructor since 16, a week as ' sailing master ' on a 54' Fifer, several goes on square riggers and Falmouth Working Boats etc, racing 12 months a year in Scorpions, Fireballs, Ospreys and Dart 18's in my younger days.
How about you ?
I chose to come back to the Anderson 22 simply because of the feel on the helm and the knowledge that she can stand up to anything I can deal with !
I want a boat that's rewarding to sail, not a department of Ikea to drag around.
if you happen to know a clueless lady who doesn't appreciate the roomiest interior going for a 22' performance boat, and an elegantly simple lift keel, that's your mutual problem !
The Carter 30 is quite a fast boat, mine won the Burnham Open funnily enough, about 1985 when she was called Naoussa.
I have sailed much larger and faster boats, including high performance dinghies since aged 8 and a chief instructor since 16, a week as ' sailing master ' on a 54' Fifer, several goes on square riggers and Falmouth Working Boats etc, racing 12 months a year in Scorpions, Fireballs, Ospreys and Dart 18's in my younger days.
How about you ?
I chose to come back to the Anderson 22 simply because of the feel on the helm and the knowledge that she can stand up to anything I can deal with !
I want a boat that's rewarding to sail, not a department of Ikea to drag around.
Lucky Duck
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You appear to have neglected to mention the contemporary performance orientated designs you have sailed and rejected in favour of the Anderson 22....
Phoenix of Hamble
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Do you enjoy the springy flexible deck too?DaydreamBeliever,
if you happen to know a clueless lady who doesn't appreciate the roomiest interior going for a 22' performance boat, and an elegantly simple lift keel, that's your mutual problem !
The Carter 30 is quite a fast boat, mine won the Burnham Open funnily enough, about 1985 when she was called Naoussa.
I have sailed much larger and faster boats, including high performance dinghies since aged 8 and a chief instructor since 16, a week as ' sailing master ' on a 54' Fifer, several goes on square riggers and Falmouth Working Boats etc, racing 12 months a year in Scorpions, Fireballs, Ospreys and Dart 18's in my younger days.
How about you ?
I chose to come back to the Anderson 22 simply because of the feel on the helm and the knowledge that she can stand up to anything I can deal with !
I want a boat that's rewarding to sail, not a department of Ikea to drag around.
Seajet
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For those who in are in a technical term ' talking bollox ', feel free to come for a spin !
Iliade
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Now about my favourite anchor...
Actually back on thread, I have just been using a pair of these 'low friction' ceramic rings with sheathed dyneema lines and I find that they are distinctly 'grabby' (exhibiting stiction.) Is this normal or is it perhaps because I may have a fine sand contamination of the line?
Actually back on thread, I have just been using a pair of these 'low friction' ceramic rings with sheathed dyneema lines and I find that they are distinctly 'grabby' (exhibiting stiction.) Is this normal or is it perhaps because I may have a fine sand contamination of the line?
Seajet
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Glad to be back on thread !
On dinghies I sailed it was normal to use stainless steel rings on the jibsheets for barber haulers as a block - side opening or otherwise - would be too heavy and divert the pull downwards.
For yachts I suppose moving the sheet cars - ideally with sexy ball bearing kit like Harken ! - does the trick most of the time, but one still needs to pull the sheet in athwartships on occasions.
On dinghies I sailed it was normal to use stainless steel rings on the jibsheets for barber haulers as a block - side opening or otherwise - would be too heavy and divert the pull downwards.
For yachts I suppose moving the sheet cars - ideally with sexy ball bearing kit like Harken ! - does the trick most of the time, but one still needs to pull the sheet in athwartships on occasions.