Azimut

[rafiki_]

Obviously changed by a style conscious previous owner.
I do think they are one of the nicer oem wheels

Downstairs is OE. I think they all had decent wheels. White bacolite Citroen wheels for the Fly only I think. I guess due to ozone decay in the Med sun? Mind you, we had a wonderful week last week on the Sarf Coast. Mid to high 20's all week.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Speaks the man who drives a Gobbi!!
Each to his own but the OP asked for opinions good or bad. Don't shoot the messenger. I preferred the Sealine over the Azi 42 I looked. To be fair the wife and I did not inspect the stingers - I must do that next time we have some spare time. Yawn!!

Drove a lot of Sealine's before driving a Gobbi. 328 Soverign (used to run one at 13 year old, which btw was one of the best models), old 290 Ambassador (painful chine runner), 28/285 (nice boat at the time, deserved a lot more but British mags where keen to support Fairline Sunfury at the time) hull was over used in flybridge with stern drive models (305 etc), 360 Ambassador (possible its best hull), 410 Ambassador painful, SC35 good hull, T50, T51.....
In the early nineties my family was close in buying a 290 or 310 but after I ran one had to scrub it off the list.

I use to run an Azimut 42 for a season and have no bad words to say about it. Year 2000 model ran like a Swiss watch day in day out.
Its only problem was the rolling at anchor due to overly large flybridge, for its size and beam ratio.

 

[Whitelighter]

This is the evo wheel



Came in around 2004 with the evo updates. Became standard.
If yours is pre 03/04 then some kind previous owner has upgraded it for you.

Lovely wheel, as I say reminds me of a classic Bugatti. Never did find the maker.
Fly bridge was the same spoke design with white vinyl instead of wood - boats had one at both helms if oem

 

[Spare Thyme]

Sorry, bit late with a response to the Azimut 39 thread, just locked back in the Caledonian at Corpath following 2 brilliant weeks up the weeks up the West Coast of Scotland, I will post a full thread with all the pictures once we complete the run back to Inverness, as far as the Azi 39 goes flawless performance in some serious seas around Ardnamurchan point both going North and returning going South, I have lots of GoPro videos and some interesting time lapse videos. We have had Spare Thyme for 6 years, no real issues, good boat in all situations as you will see from the vids when I post

 

[rafiki_]

Good to see you back on here. Looking forward to your thread.

 

[MapisM]

Osmosis is not widespread in any Sealine model, but they never had salesman shouting our hulls have ten years guarantee against osmosis.
Which I think is also part of the Azimut problem.
If they wanted to shout so much they should build there boats in epoxy

Yeah, or in wood, or steel!
Otoh, W, if we are honest, simply avoiding to use sandwich under the w/line would help a lot...

 

[MapisM]

Never did find the maker.

J, I don't think you'll find it in their catalogue, because more than likely it was a specific production for Azimut, but I would be surprised if the builder weren't Isotta.

 

[[2068]]

I think weak stringer hull structure is a known occurrence in most of Sealine models. Beat them a bit hard and they start to break.
Have seen this personally in most models....

I can't speak for all Sealines, but none of my previous boats (S24/240 and S28) had any kind of hull problems, despite being used in sometimes "interesting" conditions.

Certainly the first S38's were not good: most were fixed by Desty Marine. Also a couple of early S34's with the larger engine options had issues. But that still leaves many hundreds of boats that are issue-free, and these are in many cases getting on now.

My current SC35 is something else: the bulkheads and stringers are massive! The layup is really quite heavy, and it feels like a tank. I'm not sure how many other 11m sports cruisers come in at 8000kg. Similarly for SC42 / SC47.

S48 is so heavy it would probably act as "rock remover" in the case of an incident.

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[PowerYachtBlog]

My current SC35 is something else: the bulkheads and stringers are massive! The layup is really quite heavy, and it feels like a tank. I'm not sure how many other 11m sports cruisers come in at 8000kg. Similarly for SC42 / SC47.
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Of the new ones a lot. Considering the hard top the high free-board and that it comes at an overall length of 38 feet that is standard weight.

But I agree SC35 looks solid build and also has a nice hull design.

 

[[2068]]

Length overall of an SC35 is 36ft 5inches with the standard sized bathing platform.

 

[Portofino]

My current SC35 is something else: the bulkheads and stringers are massive! The layup is really quite heavy, and it feels like a tank. I'm not sure how many other 11m sports cruisers come in at 8000kg. Similarly for SC42 / SC47.

S48 is so heavy it would probably act as "rock remover" in the case of an incident.

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Portofino 35 9000kg unlaiden and it ,s an open ,no hardtop ---hand laid mat with glassed in bulkheads

S48 16.500kg with a hard top
Itama 48 18000kg no hard top

Sealines build with thinner sprayed chop fibreglass layup and drop in linners glued in will Allways be lighter than trad labour intensive hand mat lay up and thick marine ply bulkheads hand glassed into a solid hull ,not a cored hull.
There is a risk of the linners delamination with rough treatment in big seas leading to hull flexing etc sqeaks and rattles .windows poping loose .
Lighter weight means smaller engines -drop in linners sprayed chop mat means faster build ,less time in the plug -overall leading to a cheaper or more profitable product .---if it sells -in enough volume -- but it didn,t

With regards Sealines - ones "displacement -o -meter " needs a tad of recalibration

A CAT powered Azimut 10-15 y old is a better used propersition than a Volvo powered Sealine in the next decade of ownership

 

[[2068]]

No Sealine I am aware of uses a cored hull.
Decks, yes, but not hulls.
Stringers / bulkheads are mostly fibreglass over foam construction.

Bonding the inner tray to the hull to make the whole thing more rigid seems eminently sensible to me - Princess do this on V39/V40 for exactly this reason.

Well done on finding one boat that is heavier!
Although I'm not sure where 9000kg comes from ... listings I can find have it around 8100kg.
http://www.boats.co.uk/boats-for-sale/sunseeker-portofino-35-1614

But there are plenty of examples that are lighter - e.g.
- Fairline Targa 37 comes in at 6600kg or thereabouts.
- Fairline Targa 38 maybe 7800kg.

SC35 is not for everyone - it is not a "fast" boat with a top speed of maybe 31kts (with 1 knot tide ) from D4-260's, compared to a sleeker hull like a Targa 38.
But it is good at squashing the waves we get in the Solent.

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[Portofino]

No Sealine I am aware of uses a cored hull.
Decks, yes, but not hulls.
Stringers / bulkheads are mostly fibreglass over foam construction.

Bonding the inner tray to the hull to make the whole thing more rigid seems eminently sensible to me - Princess do this on V39/V40 for exactly this reason.

Well done on finding one boat that is heavier!
But there are plenty of examples that are not - e.g.
- Fairline Targa 37 comes in at 6600kg or thereabouts.
- Fairline Targa 38 maybe 7800kg.

SC35 is not for everyone - it is not a "fast" boat with a top speed of maybe 31kts (with 1 knot tide ) from D4-260's, compared to a sleeker hull like a Targa 38.
But it is good at squashing the waves we get in the Solent.

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7200 kg ---ball parky --has to be with D4,s otherwise it will be a slug !----- fits in with the way it's built
http://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/sealine/sc-35/20271-7609.html

 

[Portofino]

No Sealine I am aware of uses a cored hull.
Decks, yes, but not hulls.
Stringers / bulkheads are mostly fibreglass over foam construction.

Bonding the inner tray to the hull to make the whole thing more rigid seems eminently sensible to me - Princess do this on V39/V40 for exactly this reason.

Well done on finding one boat that is heavier!
Although I'm not sure where 9000kg comes from ... listings I can find have it around 8100kg.
http://www.boats.co.uk/boats-for-sale/sunseeker-portofino-35-1614

But there are plenty of examples that are lighter - e.g.
- Fairline Targa 37 comes in at 6600kg or thereabouts.
- Fairline Targa 38 maybe 7800kg.

SC35 is not for everyone - it is not a "fast" boat with a top speed of maybe 31kts (with 1 knot tide ) from D4-260's, compared to a sleeker hull like a Targa 38.
But it is good at squashing the waves we get in the Solent.

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Weight of the P35 --here http://www.boatingworld.com/boattests/sunseeker-portofino-35/

Sunseeker still use trad method of hand layered glassed in wood and foam .No spray ,No vacuum bagging ,no dropped in linners glued in .

Why do they or Mr Braithwaite ,s ( original owner still bobbing about on site ) team still do that I wonder ?

Ferreti have moved away from the trad methods too.Itama,s post 2003/4 are vac bagged with plenty of foam --lighter -quicker to build smaller engines etc --cheaper to knock out .

Cos it's labour intensive the trad method v few do it these days in Italy and Turkey specialist yards will produce a hull and it's then sent for final fit out to the "named " bulder .

It's just that there's no way on a graph of comparable displacement ,with low on the L and high on the R -Sealines will be on the RHS -considering how they are built .
Remember regardless of the true kg ,s of a P35 ,it's in the hull 8.1 or 9. 0 --the SC35 @7.2 --some of that is in the HT making the hull thinner /lighter .

Crashing through waves @ this size sub 40 ft is more of a function of the underwater profile -call it hull shape particulary the deadrise ,or more specifically how much of the V is carried fwds to the mid sections strike point .
It's cutting through -parting the waves that ,s what you want not "crashing " over them .
Indeed the SC 35 has an excellent above avg up wind hull ---despite it's apparent light weight .
The P 35 I had was a bit of a slammer tbh ,it's fattened out V going fwd for accomadation reasons -ride up wind suffered as a result Was starting to put wife off boating and going out .

That issues has disappeared thankfully after a lot of reasearch --changed boats ,like night and day .

SC35 with its modern styling and HT , low fuel usage in the UK weather will allways win over buyers .

Heavey boat it ain't!

 

[[2068]]

7200 kg ---ball parky --has to be with D4,s otherwise it will be a slug !----- fits in with the way it's built
http://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/sealine/sc-35/20271-7609.html

Yeah, that's the early "we don't actually know how much it will weigh" brochure

Later versions of the brochure (2012 shown below) have the figures revised upwards.
33 kts with D4-260 is a bit optimistic - 31kts is possible.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

No Sealine I am aware of uses a cored hull.
Decks, yes, but not hulls.
Stringers / bulkheads are mostly fibreglass over foam construction.
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Foam construction equals cored. Early ninety models had side PVC cored sides, not hull bottoms.
All British boats are cored hull side build since the eighties (balsa cored).
Sealine was the first in UK to go PVC cored hull sides AFAIK.

It is not a bad thing btw. Most boats are build this way even some top end US sportfisherman like Hatteras or Viking.

 

[petem]

Sunseeker still use trad method of hand layered glassed in wood and foam .No spray ,No vacuum bagging ,no dropped in linners glued in .

Fairline drop a liner in but importantly it mates to the (glassed in) bulkheads etc giving a monocoque type structure.

I've heard it claimed that the S/S way is inferior as they use ply for all the bulkheads / floors and therefore don't derive much structural strength from them. Still, S/S's are often driven hard and you rarely hear of any falling apart so they can't be all bad.

 

[petem]

Itama,s post 2003/4 are vac bagged with plenty of foam --lighter -quicker to build smaller engines etc --cheaper to knock out .

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with vacuum bagging as long as it's done right.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with vacuum bagging as long as it's done right.

Vacuum bagging is easy to go wrong that is its main problem.
Resin starvation which equals delamination is a big concern in VB build boats, I get an e-mail every month of people telling me stories but then they do not want to push forward with pictures so I cannot publicate on the blog.

To be fair VB if worked correctly is better then traditional method.
A safe method to avoid resin starvation and subsequent delamination is to build in transparent gel-coat, as QC is easy to do. But most builders are not willing to go this way.

Also some cores are less prone to error; as is for example Corecell (hardly used by most EU builders) versus the Diab one for example.
Most EU builders who are into VB are using Diab; Princess, Azimut, Windy, Sunseeker (for top deck), Hanse Group boats, some of the Beneteau Group boats etc.

 

[hati]

Thank you for interesting info about Azimut. I'm also considering azi 39 year 2000-03 as one option for next boat.

Still missing clear answer about the hull structure of 39 if there is anyone with this information. Is it a fully cored hull also below waterline and what is core material used there?

If anyone has also hull structure information for Fairline Phantom 38 and Princess 38? I would be happy to read it..