Auto Trim Tab feedback

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A couple of people asked me to report on the auto tabs once i'd tried them, so here goes.

They were cheap at £245 all in from PH Marine, so no big risk to try them, and easy to install once you know how, although the manual can be confusing. You install it differently depending on whether you have a "Manual Control System", or an "Electronic Indicator Control System". My boat has electronic indicators, which are connected by wiring ribbons to a "Central Processor Unit III", which had a socket marked "from attitude sensor for auto tab control", so I set about following the EIC instructions and got totally confused. PH Marine put me on to super helpful guy at Bennett UK, who explained I had something called "trimdicators" (of which there is no mention in the manual), and that I should follow the instructions for the manual system, and completely ignore the existing processor and indicators. Given that this is all Bennett original equipment of only 2004 vintage, this set up should really have been covered in the manual. If I hadn't phoned Bennett UK, i'd still be there now.

On Monday I got to use them properly for the first time on a cruise up the Solent from Lym to Cowes for lunch. You manually set the boat to the correct trim level at planing speed, then set the system to remember that setting. You can then at any time press the "on" button and the tabs will automatically try to recreate the same trim levels. They do this by averaging out the attitude readings over a period, which seems to be about 10 secs. The idea of this that they don't try to correct a boat rolling from side to side, or to level the boat in short turns. This is necessary, but on my boat at least it causes a problem.

Imagine yourself cruising along, and the boat is leaning a bit to stbd, so you turn the auto tabs on. After a few seconds the sytem automatically lowers the stbd tab to try and correct the lean, but lowering the tab also affects the steering, so the boat starts to veer slightly to the right. In response you turn the wheel to steer to port, which of course causes the boat to lean to port, so after a few seconds the stbd tab raises and the port tab lowers in order to correct it. This causes the boat to veer to port, so you steer to starboard, and the whole cycle starts again.

The result is that you tend to zig zag along slightly, and the need to make regular corrections to the trim is replaced by the need to make regular corrections to the steering. I think the problem is likely to be exaggerated on the Windy, as it leans heavily into even shallow turns. It's not a major problem, more of an annoyance, but then having to adjust the trim tabs manually wasn't a major problem either, so i'm not sure i've gained a lot.

I think it may be more useful on longer cruises, and may possibly work well in conjunction with an autopilot, which I don't have on the Windy. I'll persevere, and may find that I can predict the steering effect of the tabs better, and only correct half of the oversteer with the wheel, recognising the trim tabs will do the other half.

So I give them a dissappointing 4 out of 10, or 9 out of 10 if you're an MBM/MBY reader :-)
 
The result is that you tend to zig zag along slightly, and the need to make regular corrections to the trim is replaced by the need to make regular corrections to the steering.


My boat is also leaning a bit to stb, so most of the time I only use a bit STB trim Down to level the boat, less trim Down at higher speed.
That's the reason why I ordered the ATT.
I was wondering if this leaning could be corected automatically with this ATT, as I did expect behaviour more or less like you discribe.
My curiosity has cost a price, and after your post I believe that it might not be a perfect working solution,
Nevertheless, I expect my ATT to be delivered any day now, lets enjoy playing with it, and I will post my experiences.
Perhaps another controll sequence or reaction speed could improve the working ?
Thanks for posting any new or usefull experience or advice.
 
So I give them a dissappointing 4 out of 10, or 9 out of 10 if you're an MBM/MBY reader
Considering the effect you describe (which I didn't think of, in the other thread where we started this debate), I wonder if even MBM/MBY wouldn't dare an 8 out of 10... :rolleyes:

Just a thought: I would try to smoothen the ATT action by fooling it a bit.
Instead of memorizing the "ideal" boat attitude, which is probably at zero outdrives/zero tabs (meant as level with the hull, not fully up), you could try to raise the flaps fully up, and trim out the drives up to the limit of the critical porpoise angle.
By memorising this attitute, which is a bit more "bow up" compared to the ideal one, the ATT should work less overall, and possibly more smoothly with regard to the effect you experienced.
That's just a theory anyway, but worth a try, if nothing else because it's very easy to see if it works... :)

That aside, I still think that you'd better not to use the ATT at all at high speed. If the system suddenly tries to level the boat after 10", in the middle of a large steering at 40+ kts, the result could be unpleasant for anyone on board.
 
Aha.. so I can save my money then !
Maybe it would be possible to duplicate the manual trim tabs as foot pedals.. go fully hands free ;)
 
That aside, I still think that you'd better not to use the ATT at all at high speed. If the system suddenly tries to level the boat after 10", in the middle of a large steering at 40+ kts, the result could be unpleasant for anyone on board.

its a fact that my boat only needs a very tiny bit of trim to create a substantial change in Port-STB ballance
so yes, some interesting tests to be done
 
yesterday fitted the ATT.
I have the controll panel with integrated led bar position display, so connections were very straight forward, system worked immedialy without a problem.

Today we were out with the boat, very long trip with 4 compagnions, and mostly at high speed, 30+kn..
It was quite shoppy, so I was more bussy to make the trip conveniant for our guests in stead of testing the ATT.
I switched it on a few times, and also had the cycling effect as Nick explained,
furthermore I found it inconveniant at high speeds, like MapisM expected, because, when shoppy, you make many unexpected moves, and the ATT is permanently working, and never seems to find the good position,
but again I didn't test very much, and was more focussed on making a nice ride then anything else.


Until now, the unit is useless for me, so a 4/10 is too optimistic,
But I will give it some more chances...
f.e. on a long trip at normal cruising speed (25kn)and in flat water.
 
As I was thinking of fitting ATT's on my boat have found this feedback excellent help and may even stop me buying more toys :rolleyes:

Bart as our boats are very similar I would especially appreciate some more feedback from you after you have given it a good testing :cool:

Cheers

Martin
 
very long trip with 4 compagnions, and mostly at high speed, 30+kn.
It was quite shoppy, so I was more bussy to make the trip conveniant for our guests in stead of testing the ATT.
I love your approach Bart.
Play with the trim and tabs as much as possible for crew comfort, but not even think of slowing down a bit!
They asked for a boat cruise after all, didn't they? :D
 
I love your approach Bart.
Play with the trim and tabs as much as possible for crew comfort, but not even think of slowing down a bit!
They asked for a boat cruise after all, didn't they? :D

Oh just to clarifie the situation,
each of these 4 compagnions were in a big Rib, and usually they enjoy their sunday's by cruising at high speed in the North sea, at 35 to 40kn !...
Now while I was with them we cruised at slower speed
but I didn't want to make the trip too slow (to boaring?):o for them.

The guests on our boat where a sporty couple, who enjoyed a lovely sunny !!!day out yesterday, at a nice temperature (3°C):rolleyes:
We cruised about 100nm, +5 hours on the counter of the new engine block !
(it needs some good testing after a major repair)
 
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