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WNS README FIRST PLEASE
The purpose of What Now Skip is to give forum members the opportunity of learning from each other's experiences and opinions. To that end, awkward boating scenarios are presented for forum members to discuss. WNS is not a test with replies measured against a predetermined ‘correct’ answer. In fact, in most cases, there is usually more than one solution to the posed scenario. Selected attributed posts will appear in the next issue of the magazine.
However, please read the scenario carefully as some of the information given may imply certain possibilities or restrictions on possible courses of action – without spelling them out specifically.
The author always tries to describe the situation as fully as possible but ambiguities sometimes arise. If you are unclear as to any particular aspect or require clarification of an issue – just ask.


Our favourite skipper has recently helped a friend new to boating to acquire a very nice second hand 40ft flybridge cruiser. To express his thanks he and his wife have invited him to celebrate the first trip with lunch at a local waterside restaurant. The boat is anchored in a small, rather crowded bay. Because the weather is fine with little wind he recommended a fairly short scope to limit the swinging circle. Although the tide is falling there’s not much current in the bay and there will still be plenty of depth at low water, which is in about an hour.

Just as they are all tucking into the sweet, a passer-by comes into the restaurant and enquires if anyone owns the blue 40 footer as it is dragging its anchor towards shallow water over some rocks. They abandon their meal, run down to the jetty, pile in the tender, and five minutes later are on board. The problem is obvious; in the last half hour a sea breeze has sprung up and is now blowing at about 15mph.

The boat has now stopped dragging but there’s only a few inches of water beneath the props. On his advice, the owner motors up to his anchor and tries to retrieve it. Alas, it is stuck under one of the rocks in about a metre and a half of water. Our skipper suggest casting it free and using a fender to buoy the end of the chain.

So he backs away upwind into deep water and lets all the chain run out - only to find that bitter end of the chain is attached by a totally rusted shackle in the very bottom of the chain locker, accessible only through a hatch in the forecabin bulkhead. Unfortunately, the owner’s tool kit consists only of light tools suitable for routine engine maintenance.
What now Skip?
 
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Alas, it is stuck under one of the rocks in about a metre and a half of water.

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Get in the flippin water and haul it out - geeze - I could STAND in 1.5m of water .... certainly wouldn't stop me from getting the anchor out....
 
Thank you Fireball. That is certainly an option - but one that some may not think of when they are on board the boat and looking at a fully extended chain rode.

Personally, I think you may be underestimating the difficulty of working on a severely jammed anchor underwater - even if the depth is only 1.5m. And if you couldn't free it before the tide started coming in again - say it is stuck in a crevice or something - what would you then?

Best
TJ
 
get your emergency spare anchor out (I assume everyone carries one?), set it to the rear of your position by using your tender, that will hold you away from the shallow stuff until next high tide and then pull up your spare anchor, & haul the main anchor up when you have enough water under the boat to be able to get on top of it & drive over it to free the bugger.....or just get your feet wet as everyone else has said and pull the sodding thing up! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Personally, I think you may be underestimating the difficulty of working on a severely jammed anchor underwater

[/ QUOTE ] Nope - I don't think I am ... - it's only been jammed by a 15mph wind and well - it's gone in - so it must come out - get a strong line to tie to the crown of the anchor, attach this to the tender or big boat and use them to haul it out.

Alternatively - if you really can't get it free then just use the tender to zip around the other boats in the anchorage for a hacksaw or bolt croppers ... or run ashore and try and get one there.

Alternatively - again - look where the chain is connected - you've got 2 options - disconnect it at the anchor (tricky in 1.5 m of water -but the tide still has a little to drop - or at the boat - see if you can take the fitting off.
 
Variations on a Theme :-
Stick matey in the rib with boathook . . Leave chain out but slacken off by getting closer .. Matey tries all different angles to remove anchor .. if hes successful bring anchor back in rib ( enough of this fouling nonsense). Re-anchor and go back to pub.

If matey cant move phone local diving club and offer them a beer ...
 
Go forwards 50m
then full astern


Chances are any Blue hulled boat will have a stainless steel swivel shackle holding the anchor to the chain, the snatch will snap the stainless swivel and off you go.

just make sure everyone is sat down.

If the shackle turns out to be galvanised steel after all then apologise for ripping his windlass out but point out the boat has been saved and we will still make the last lock in time for a pint /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Seeing as you all did a runner from the pub , you might want to find another joint next time /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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Nope - I don't think I am ... - it's only been jammed by a 15mph wind and well - it's gone in - so it must come out - get a strong line to tie to the crown of the anchor, attach this to the tender or big boat and use them to haul it out.


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I'm with you! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
He has two options. Get the anchor unstuck, or seperate the stuck anchor from the boat. He is now in safe water, albeit under power, so no immediate problem.
With some rope, go back in the tender to the anchor, and wrap some rope around the anchor. Ease the strain by motoring the boat forward enough, so the chain is slack. Either just by hand, or using the tender/outboard, I d expect to be able to pull,wiggle the anchor free.
If simply not possible, there are enough boaters about, that someone will have some tools. In worst case, borrow an extra anchor and wait for the tide.
 
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If you are unclear as to any particular aspect or require clarification of an issue – just ask.




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Please can you describe a little more about the surround terrain, in particular are there any over hanging trees suitable for attaching a few mooring lines to or any classic Tall ships sharing the anchorage /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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......or any classic Tall ships sharing the anchorage

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....no, its not the time to run your genny and upset people, get the anchor sorted out first! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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....no, its not the time to run your genny and upset people, /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Oh yes it is, the boat is anchored so its not going anywhere. Stick the kettle on and make a nice cup of tea. Something will happen to sort the problem out, like offering bacon butties to that little dive boat on your portside. Problem solved, everyone goes home happy /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Pete
 
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....no, its not the time to run your genny and upset people, /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Oh yes it is, the boat is anchored so its not going anywhere. Stick the kettle on and make a nice cup of tea. Something will happen to sort the problem out, like offering bacon butties to that little dive boat on your portside. Problem solved, everyone goes home happy /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Pete

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Pete, someone living in the real world, excellent!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
might happen of course!
I cant say I ve found myself in many of the WNS situations, but getting your anchor stuck must be common enough that even I ve done it, and yes, in a popular anchorage. Several jolly helpful boaters then demonstrated their after lunch close quarter handing skills, lots of engine revving by everyone, helpful shouts across the water.. til they all gave up and sensibly buggered off !
Anyway, its was good comraderie, even if I was no better off, and now left to my own devices.
But the incidence did give me that sense of concern that you dont get from reading a scenario on the web, namely, that of
sh*te, umm, what do I do know?
So,thats my goodbye to WNS /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Fireball

Well, I can remember trying to retrieve something (it wasn't an anchor) I'd found that was half-buried in sand in about this depth. This required digging underneath it with a large spoon. But I found it very difficult to stay down on the bottom due to my natural bouyancy. (Which wasn't as much then as it is now).

With WNS I've tried to encourage the sort of thinking that says: 'If this doesn't work for some reason, what do I do next?' Your alternatives are, IMHO, excellent. Many thanks.

Best wishes
TJ
 
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But the incidence did give me that sense of concern that you dont get from reading a scenario on the web, namely, that of
sh*te, umm, what do I do know?
So,thats my goodbye to WNS /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Thanks gigm. I've tried with WNS to encourage people to really think through the scenarios from their armchairs (and not often succeeded) but - as you say - there's nothing like the real thing to concentrate the mind!

Best wishes
Tjay
 
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