Attacking the CG...
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robertj
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The pay seems good to me for sitting around in well heated and ventilated up to date working conditions. Many down here earn alot less for manual employment, working in adverse weather conditions.
AndrewB
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Anyone who complains about nannying from the UK CG has obviously not experienced the attentions of the USCG! On the couple of occasions I have thought it necessary to ask for UK CG advice while sailing in bad weather, it was excellent and there was no question that that the decisions to be taken were mine alone. By contrast, the one time I called the USCG, to ask about conditions at a foggy harbour entrance before I decided whether to enter, they sent out a lifeboat!
One reason for the difference is that it the USCG has found itself on the receiving end of court cases when accidents have occurred to yachts. There seems to be a much stronger feeling in the US that the CG needs to actively prevent yachtsmen from getting into trouble, and may be considered liable if it fails in this. I think this is what we in the UK have to be careful not let happen here.
One reason for the difference is that it the USCG has found itself on the receiving end of court cases when accidents have occurred to yachts. There seems to be a much stronger feeling in the US that the CG needs to actively prevent yachtsmen from getting into trouble, and may be considered liable if it fails in this. I think this is what we in the UK have to be careful not let happen here.
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chanelyacht
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A bit of background - our press office does have quite a bit of maritime experience in it, and I do think those comments are a bit unfair.
And given that the WM quoted is at Falmouth, I wouldn't mind betting he knows quite a lot more about EPIRBS than the rest of us!
I do take the points about "nannying" though, and I will feed them back to Southampton.
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timbartlett
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It doesn't show. The depths of ignorance that are demonstrated in some of its press releases are pretty abyssal.
The WM quoted in the press release I was looking at is called Karen, which strikes me as an unusual name for a man, and is based at Thames.http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mcga07-ho...s-releases.htm?id=3923FD6298279805&m=6&y=2012
I took it for granted that CG WMs know how EPIRBs work. I even said so in the post you quoted!
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chanelyacht
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Sorry, as you didn't source / link the press release, I didn't notice the change from the one criticised by the OP - which is why I stuck with referring back to the OPs quoted press release.
Tell you what, why not impart your views to the press office direct - especially with your journalistic credentials, they should welcome the input.
It's 02380 329401.
epervier
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Question for Chanelyacht
Listening to 67 this morning a boat calls up for a radio check, (as they always seem to on the Solent) and Solent CG gives him the 3rd degree, what's your international call sign, spell the name of your boat, what's your draught, how many POB, have you got lifejackets, what colour is your boat, what colour are your sails.
Is this normal?
or do the CG have details of who's bringing in contraband?
Listening to 67 this morning a boat calls up for a radio check, (as they always seem to on the Solent) and Solent CG gives him the 3rd degree, what's your international call sign, spell the name of your boat, what's your draught, how many POB, have you got lifejackets, what colour is your boat, what colour are your sails.
Is this normal?
or do the CG have details of who's bringing in contraband?
chanelyacht
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Listening to 67 this morning a boat calls up for a radio check, (as they always seem to on the Solent) and Solent CG gives him the 3rd degree, what's your international call sign, spell the name of your boat, what's your draught, how many POB, have you got lifejackets, what colour is your boat, what colour are your sails.
Is this normal?
or do the CG have details of who's bringing in contraband?
Hmmm...
Unusual one - normally all of us try and get rid of radio checks as quickly as possible - not because we don't want them, but just to keep the channel clear. It does sound a bit unusual - although obviously I can't answer for your specific example. Are you sure it was just a RC - sounds more like a passage plan to me. I'd only ask that lot if they're not CG66 registered, otherwise it's just callsign and POB.
And we're lucky if the UKBA tell us where they are, let alone who they're interested in!
prv
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or do the CG have details of who's bringing in contraband?
Or is it to subtly discourage him from asking for a radio check again tomorrow?
Pete
chanelyacht
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Or is it to subtly discourage him from asking for a radio check again tomorrow?
Pete
We used to have a boat that would call up two or three times a day for radio checks - we suspect it was when he went out, when he anchored, when he left anchorage, etc.
One of my colleagues came up with the wonderful line of "you know we've stopped doing nectar points for radio checks sir, just one a day will do fine" and that cured the problem!
reginaldon
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A sign in last year's SIBS that there is a move in that direction - for me the most interesing SIBS in a decade.
Seajet
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Reginaldon,
while I'm no hair shirt type by any means, I can't help thinking sailing is about dealing with the elements, not maximum comfort; each to their own, but my flabber was truly ghasted when a chum at my club had a dishwasher 'for entertaining' installed on his 30' boat !
While I'd like a good roller headsail system if having another 30' masthead rigged boat, on my 22' with hank on headsails I think bouncing on the foredeck getting a tad wet and seeing the rainbow in the bow wave is what it's all about ?
while I'm no hair shirt type by any means, I can't help thinking sailing is about dealing with the elements, not maximum comfort; each to their own, but my flabber was truly ghasted when a chum at my club had a dishwasher 'for entertaining' installed on his 30' boat !
While I'd like a good roller headsail system if having another 30' masthead rigged boat, on my 22' with hank on headsails I think bouncing on the foredeck getting a tad wet and seeing the rainbow in the bow wave is what it's all about ?
reginaldon
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Reginaldon,
while I'm no hair shirt type by any means, I can't help thinking sailing is about dealing with the elements, not maximum comfort; each to their own, but my flabber was truly ghasted when a chum at my club had a dishwasher 'for entertaining' installed on his 30' boat !
While I'd like a good roller headsail system if having another 30' masthead rigged boat, on my 22' with hank on headsails I think bouncing on the foredeck getting a tad wet and seeing the rainbow in the bow wave is what it's all about ?
Too true, however at 81+ I'm a bit too old for the foredeck jitterbug, I also have a pulpit but no safety rails on my wee Caprice. I'm continually resisting the installation of a dishwasher at home to help with my caring duties.
Seajet
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Reginaldon,
knowing - and admiring - your duties, I'd think having a dishwasher machine at home fair enough, your workload is a lot as it is; though if ever intending to fit one in the Caprice, I'll hand you a revolver with a single bullet !
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Pleiades
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In defence of the CG
Ewen Southby-Tailyour wrote a great book after the Falklands campaign - "Reasons in writing".
I love the title - it is a delightful bit of military parlance - used (at least to my knowledge!) when an officer has horlixed something up so spectacularly that he has to account for said outcome to a senior officer! He is also (to my eyes) a fine judge of yachts - having chosen a Tradewind 35 for his many years of arctic meandering. ( "Blackvelvet" - was for sale recently as he downsized.) I think he is well qualified to support his solo sailers.
A point I would make however from my vastly less accomplished sailing expolits - Yarmouth to Lymington during the hours of darkness, single handed circumnavigation of the Isle of Hayling - that sort of thing - is that the professionalism of the CG operators on the air is fantastic - I have never found fault with them and greatly admire the patience and pragmatic approach of these guys and girls to dealing with maritime emergencies and sometimes with maritime numptees who clearly are not quite seaworthy. So - pat on the back due - and more pay of course!
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
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Ewen Southby-Tailyour wrote a great book after the Falklands campaign - "Reasons in writing".
I love the title - it is a delightful bit of military parlance - used (at least to my knowledge!) when an officer has horlixed something up so spectacularly that he has to account for said outcome to a senior officer! He is also (to my eyes) a fine judge of yachts - having chosen a Tradewind 35 for his many years of arctic meandering. ( "Blackvelvet" - was for sale recently as he downsized.) I think he is well qualified to support his solo sailers.
A point I would make however from my vastly less accomplished sailing expolits - Yarmouth to Lymington during the hours of darkness, single handed circumnavigation of the Isle of Hayling - that sort of thing - is that the professionalism of the CG operators on the air is fantastic - I have never found fault with them and greatly admire the patience and pragmatic approach of these guys and girls to dealing with maritime emergencies and sometimes with maritime numptees who clearly are not quite seaworthy. So - pat on the back due - and more pay of course!
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5