Attach 2 lenghts of chain

[Karnic]

When anchoring for lunch not in an emergency is it ok to attach 2 lenghts of chain using a quality locking carabiner or a quality quicklink ? As described would use this method only when anchoring just for a quick lunch and a beer and in calm not so deep seas. Would use strong shackles to attach chain in emergency deeper rougher waters. I understand that that it is no the most sensible thing but i think for lunch anchoring should be ok.

 

[petem]

I don't see why not. Might be worth using an anchor watch app on your phone just to make sure you're not drifting. Other than that, the worst that can happen is that you lose a bit of chain and an anchor (I think you'rs was only a cheap 5KG anchor so no big deal).

 

[MapisM]

I don't see why not.

+1. It all depends on conditions.
In a few occasions, I managed to spend a whole day anchored as below - 'nuff said...

 

[BruceK]

I'm going to say no, and the reason being is sand and dirt )being chain it will rest on the sea floor) will clog the hinge in short order rendering the unit suspect and liable to be knocked open and stay open. A screwgate caribiner may stay closed but the screwgate could become jammed. As a use once get me by solution sure, as an ongoing solution it's suspect.

 

[Karnic]

I'm going to say no, and the reason being is sand and dirt )being chain it will rest on the sea floor) will clog the hinge in short order rendering the unit suspect and liable to be knocked open and stay open. A screwgate caribiner may stay closed but the screwgate could become jammed. As a use once get me by solution sure, as an ongoing solution it's suspect.

Do you recommend something quick to attach and with no tools involved?

 

[BruceK]

First let me understand why you'd want to extend the chain for "in calm not so deep seas."
To me your chain is simply either too short to begin with or if the seas are deep but not massively so, then I would simply go rode to chain. Your boat at present does not have a windlass, you are struggling with weight as it stands from my understanding of previous threads and if you want to use the argument of rode scope length being longer for effective anchoring I would then advise the use of an anchor angel or whatever local colloquialism you have for it. (edit to minimise swing in a tight anchorage and improve catenary effect)

 

[BruceK]

I see no reason why you couldn't use a mushroom anchor as a "anchor angel" or "anchor chum"

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[Beamishken]

I'm wondering why you would need to add chain for a lunch stop? Surely if you just needed extra length for a deepwater lunch stop then you'd just add warp
Adding chain would normally be something you'd do for an overnight stop in not ideal conditions in which case you'd want something belt and braces.
I'm not trying to be awkward, just curious of the scenario

 

[Bouba]

+1. It all depends on conditions.
In a few occasions, I managed to spend a whole day anchored as below - 'nuff said...

You did well to find the only bit of sand to drop your anchor on:encouragement:

 

[Pinnacle]

MM does know those waters like the back of his hand...…...

 

[MapisM]

Yep, it's fair to say that I do, by now.
That spot is actually very tricky anyway, because it's known for grabbing anchors under the rocks, to the point of needing a diver to release them.
In spite of that, earlier this summer, we have been there together with BartW and another boating mate.
They were both already anchored by the time we joined them, and when I arrived (together with AndieMac and his family) we dropped the hook near them, and in a matter of minutes we dragged a hundred of meters or so away...
As I said, it all depends on conditions! :encouragement:

 

[Karnic]

First let me understand why you'd want to extend the chain for "in calm not so deep seas."
To me your chain is simply either too short to begin with or if the seas are deep but not massively so, then I would simply go rode to chain. Your boat at present does not have a windlass, you are struggling with weight as it stands from my understanding of previous threads and if you want to use the argument of rode scope length being longer for effective anchoring I would then advise the use of an anchor angel or whatever local colloquialism you have for it. (edit to minimise swing in a tight anchorage and improve catenary effect)

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Hi Bruce

I anchor in crowded areas in the Mediterranean seas. My idea is to leave anchor in bow roller in order 1st to save my frequently troubling back ,2nd to gain some storage ( Anchor would be in bow roller ) and 3rd for more effective anchoring especially in here where bays are full of boats and the risk of getting off anchor would hit other boaters and instead of relaxing i end up more nervous Wife just sit and drink so i got no help. So to get to the point, as anchor would be situated in bow roller with 30 cm of chain ( to use chain to tension anchor ) would like to add the remaining 3 metres of chain and the rope, take them out from locker, attach to shackle situated with the anchor and the 30 cm of chain and deploy. Last summer with 3 metres of chain and the remaining rode i did not have problems of getting off anchor. Effective anchoring is important even for lunch breaks in here as bays are crowded with lots of boats etc. In fact im contemplating to increase by a metre the lenght of chain stored in the locker for better anchor results as having chain and rope ONLY would not be heavy.
Thanks for your input and appreciate your kind help. Really value all ideas.

 

[Portofino]

30 centimetres of chain is useless .
So you are right asking for advice.
Here are some pics ,
I,am in 20 M with 70 M of chain ( not sure how much the wife put put , but in the interest of matrimonial harmony, we aren’t dragging so I did not check )




The smaller day boats had 3to 6 M of chain on a rode ( rope ) .
Clear water snorkelling told me this .
Due to the calm conditions , the same a you are specifically asking that seemed ok .
All the chain was sat on the sea bed .
So I would get 4/5 M or what ever you feel comfortable hauling and storing on the boat and and get rid of the 30 cm and attach the 4/5 m properly with a proper connector .
It s not worth using a C clamp or similar to join 30 cm to 5/6 M imho .

 

[Karnic]

I don't see why not. Might be worth using an anchor watch app on your phone just to make sure you're not drifting. Other than that, the worst that can happen is that you lose a bit of chain and an anchor (I think you'rs was only a cheap 5KG anchor so no big deal).

30 centimetres of chain is useless .
So you are right asking for advice.
Here are some pics ,
I,am in 20 M with 70 M of chain ( not sure how much the wife put put , but in the interest of matrimonial harmony, we aren’t dragging so I did not check )




The smaller day boats had 3to 6 M of chain on a rode ( rope ) .
Clear water snorkelling told me this .
Due to the calm conditions , the same a you are specifically asking that seemed ok .
All the chain was sat on the sea bed .
So I would get 4/5 M or what ever you feel comfortable hauling and storing on the boat and and get rid of the 30 cm and attach the 4/5 m properly with a proper connector .
It s not worth using a C clamp or similar to join 30 cm to 5/6 M imho .

Thanks portofino
You are right but im having the 30 cm of chain in order to tension anchor with the bow roller, Although if i can tension from shackle attached to anchor shank i will work as you said. Will try to put safety anchor lock through the shank.