cookjwm
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and wots that all about!?
mandatory? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
mandatory? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
ATIS
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sailorman
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not mandatory, might be nice t have ( do a search). get a good H.B compass.
Phoenix of Hamble
Well-Known Member
Got boarded by Customs last week in Holland..... ATIS wasn't mentioned.... all they were interested in was registration cert and passports.....
cookjwm
Well-Known Member
thats some reassurance.......starting to feel persecuted before I even get there!.
I noted that no one seems to state its mandatory but with all the noise about red diesel ,cevni, shengen etc one starts to wonder......
I noted that no one seems to state its mandatory but with all the noise about red diesel ,cevni, shengen etc one starts to wonder......
cookjwm
Well-Known Member
ATIS ,not AIS.....just to confuse us all!
sailorman
Well-Known Member
just godoit
TimfromMersea
Well-Known Member
Here would seem to be the answer - from the RYA Web Site this morning. Don't know whether it is mandatory yet; the article isn't particularly clear, as in one place it says that OFCOM are 'proposing' to accept it, and in another it refers to the procedure for doing it. Maybe the phone no at the end would clarify. Here's the article anyway:-
"The RYA has learned that Ofcom are proposing to accede to the Basel Arrangement which covers ATIS, and that the Regional Arrangement concerning the Radiotelephone Service on Inland Waterways (RAINWAT) are now mandating the use of ATIS on all visitors to RAINWAT waters.
The RYA is concern about how this might be implemented for its members because the infrastructure and administrative arrangements are not in place to cope with vessels using ATIS in the UK and UK vessels may well encounter difficulties when visiting RAINWAT Countries in Europe.
Given that the current UK Ship Radio Licence (SRL) does not cover ATIS apparatus, the RYA contacted Ofcom for an explanation of how the agreement was to be implemented and what agreements had been made with the RAINWAT Committee.
Stuart Carruthers, RYA cruising manager said: “The question we have put to Ofcom is how UK boaters can comply with the Regional Arrangement when sailing in the RAINWAT area.
“Ofcom have advised that it can vary individual SRLs to cover ATIS equipment. Vessel details will then be supplied to the Belgian regulator, BIPT, which oversees the ATIS database.
“However, as the Notice of Variation (NoV) to the UK SRL will be done manually it may take a few days to process requests and it is likely that the turn round time will increase if Ofcom gets lots of requests. Automating the process will take time, because it will entail changes to the Ofcom licensing system. For the time being, therefore, Ofcom must rely on the manual system and applicants should allow up to a month for the BIPT database to reflect updates that are sent to it”.
The process for ATIS is as follows:
1. The licensee must apply online for an MMSI.
Note: This means that they will need a DSC VHF set. Ofcom is aware that some ATIS sets are not DSC capable.
2. The licensee must then request Ofcom to vary the SRL and to supply an ATIS number.
Note: The request can be by e-mail but must come from the licensee. Under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006, the licensee must request Ofcom to vary the licence. To process the request, Ofcom also need the licence number, vessel name (as on the licence), the call sign and the MMSI.
3. When requesting Ofcom to vary the licence, the licensee must authorise Ofcom to disclose licence details to BIPT for the purposes of safety and ATIS administration, including making the details available to RAINWAT member states. Note: This is a data protection requirement. Ofcom must be able to notify BIPT. If it cannot do so, it cannot vary the licence.
4. Ofcom shall then allocate an ATIS number and prepare the (NoV). Ofcom shall send this out with a covering letter.
5. Ofcom shall notify BIPT of the vessel details.
Note: The arrangement requires Ofcom to send the vessel name, call sign, ATIS code and MMSI number.
6. The licensee must print a copy of the Basel Arrangement from http://www.rainwat.bipt.be and keep it and the NoV with the ship radio licence documents.
7. The licensee must familiarise himself or herself with the provisions of the Basel Arrangement and note the arrangements for vessels from non-RAINWAT states at http://www.rainwat.bipt.be/outsiderainwat.html.
8. When overseas, the licensee will be under the jurisdiction of the authorities in that country.
“It is Ofcom’s intention to accede to the Basel Arrangement when it can. While there is no fundamental policy objection to doing so, there are several administrative obstacles to negotiate before Ofcom is able to do so”, concluded Stuart.
If you need further information about ATIS then contact 0845 345 0370."
I shouldn't bother to go if I were you............! St Kats and the Suffolk Rivers sounds a lot easier.
"The RYA has learned that Ofcom are proposing to accede to the Basel Arrangement which covers ATIS, and that the Regional Arrangement concerning the Radiotelephone Service on Inland Waterways (RAINWAT) are now mandating the use of ATIS on all visitors to RAINWAT waters.
The RYA is concern about how this might be implemented for its members because the infrastructure and administrative arrangements are not in place to cope with vessels using ATIS in the UK and UK vessels may well encounter difficulties when visiting RAINWAT Countries in Europe.
Given that the current UK Ship Radio Licence (SRL) does not cover ATIS apparatus, the RYA contacted Ofcom for an explanation of how the agreement was to be implemented and what agreements had been made with the RAINWAT Committee.
Stuart Carruthers, RYA cruising manager said: “The question we have put to Ofcom is how UK boaters can comply with the Regional Arrangement when sailing in the RAINWAT area.
“Ofcom have advised that it can vary individual SRLs to cover ATIS equipment. Vessel details will then be supplied to the Belgian regulator, BIPT, which oversees the ATIS database.
“However, as the Notice of Variation (NoV) to the UK SRL will be done manually it may take a few days to process requests and it is likely that the turn round time will increase if Ofcom gets lots of requests. Automating the process will take time, because it will entail changes to the Ofcom licensing system. For the time being, therefore, Ofcom must rely on the manual system and applicants should allow up to a month for the BIPT database to reflect updates that are sent to it”.
The process for ATIS is as follows:
1. The licensee must apply online for an MMSI.
Note: This means that they will need a DSC VHF set. Ofcom is aware that some ATIS sets are not DSC capable.
2. The licensee must then request Ofcom to vary the SRL and to supply an ATIS number.
Note: The request can be by e-mail but must come from the licensee. Under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006, the licensee must request Ofcom to vary the licence. To process the request, Ofcom also need the licence number, vessel name (as on the licence), the call sign and the MMSI.
3. When requesting Ofcom to vary the licence, the licensee must authorise Ofcom to disclose licence details to BIPT for the purposes of safety and ATIS administration, including making the details available to RAINWAT member states. Note: This is a data protection requirement. Ofcom must be able to notify BIPT. If it cannot do so, it cannot vary the licence.
4. Ofcom shall then allocate an ATIS number and prepare the (NoV). Ofcom shall send this out with a covering letter.
5. Ofcom shall notify BIPT of the vessel details.
Note: The arrangement requires Ofcom to send the vessel name, call sign, ATIS code and MMSI number.
6. The licensee must print a copy of the Basel Arrangement from http://www.rainwat.bipt.be and keep it and the NoV with the ship radio licence documents.
7. The licensee must familiarise himself or herself with the provisions of the Basel Arrangement and note the arrangements for vessels from non-RAINWAT states at http://www.rainwat.bipt.be/outsiderainwat.html.
8. When overseas, the licensee will be under the jurisdiction of the authorities in that country.
“It is Ofcom’s intention to accede to the Basel Arrangement when it can. While there is no fundamental policy objection to doing so, there are several administrative obstacles to negotiate before Ofcom is able to do so”, concluded Stuart.
If you need further information about ATIS then contact 0845 345 0370."
I shouldn't bother to go if I were you............! St Kats and the Suffolk Rivers sounds a lot easier.
cookjwm
Well-Known Member
yep...read that, just not clear at all, not what you expect from rya is it?
good to have on the ground feedback though......and anyway it'll be blowing like***** when its time to go!
good to have on the ground feedback though......and anyway it'll be blowing like***** when its time to go!
neale
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ATIS is mandatory now for UK flagged vessels on inland waterways of EU countries.
ATIS is nothing at all to do with AIS
ATIS is nothing at all to do with AIS
argus
Active Member
What you don't find out until you get an ATIS number from OFCOM is -
if you put into your ATIS capable Hand Held then you can't use the radio within 14 miles of British coast.
What to do?
I raised this question on the PBO forum, and have "asked the PBO experts" by email now awaiting reply.
Peter
if you put into your ATIS capable Hand Held then you can't use the radio within 14 miles of British coast.
What to do?
I raised this question on the PBO forum, and have "asked the PBO experts" by email now awaiting reply.
Peter
neale
Well-Known Member
Once the radio is ATIS enabled, it should be able to be turned on and off by the user. It will be like switching between International and US but you will get another option, ATIS.
Some radios will not be able to be user activated or deactivated. These will need to go back to the dealer to have ATIS disabled. Personally if I had one of these radios, I would think of upgrading as each dealer visit will cost in the region of £30-£40.
Some radios will not be able to be user activated or deactivated. These will need to go back to the dealer to have ATIS disabled. Personally if I had one of these radios, I would think of upgrading as each dealer visit will cost in the region of £30-£40.
