Artemisia's maiden voyage - first stop Saturday night in Antibes

Fuel dock is usually 20 cents more than tanker price, so will be about 1.40. As i'm sure you know Italy is v pricey for fuel, Spain is comparatively cheap, and France somewhere in beteween.
 
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Considering I paid €1.85/litre in Italy 2 years ago and €1.55 or thereabouts last year and this year, that's a very attractive price. Is this a reason to be on Mole Sud ie it being the only quay you can drive a tanker on to?

Any sign of the refinery strikes affecting marine diesel deliveries yet?
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Oh yeah I forgot that French fuel prices will come as a nice surprise to you. you can pay about 80cents if you use the de-tax commercial program but I don't bother with that any more; too much faff imho. Another thread perhaps. You can get tanker deliveries on mole sud and also the far side (west side of marina) over near Y quay, but as discussed Mole sud is better than the others for a whole host of other reasons. I don't know ref strikes - I filled up my boat a week before they started. My sons drove London/Monaco return for the GP last weekend and had zero problem getting fuel on motorways. The only queues they saw were Brit cars panic buying in dover/Folkstone before crossing the channel
 
Mebbe:

Mark pays the capitainerie 30%: gets a cheap - not free - berth in what is, after all, "position A".

Capitainerie gets the undeserved money it wants.

You get a quiet life, and the satisfaction of having made several people's lives that bit happier, of course.

And the world fails to be rocked on its axis.
 
benjenbav said:
Mebbe:

Mark pays the capitainerie 30%: gets a cheap - not free - berth in what is, after all, "position A".

Capitainerie gets the undeserved money it wants.

You get a quiet life, and the satisfaction of having made several people's lives that bit happier, of course.

And the world fails to be rocked on its axis.
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Ah, if only that were true Bjb. If one does that the port will indeed get 30% but someone other than mafweiss will get my berth, such is the strong demand this weekend. Shenanigans have nothing to do with depriving the port of their 30% (indeed I would get the other 70% if we toed the port's line).
 
jfm said:
That is how it is done in la napoule and la rague, and also camille rayon, but it is far from universal. In Antibes you own a personal leaseholder right (acte d'amodiation) and you don't own any shares, for example.
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Blimmey - I did not know that ,thought. t,others were more/less run on the same basis ?

Do berth holders in PV have any mechanism to feed into management decisions ?

Here our elected committe board can ( within the realms of frog employment laws ) hire n fire "our staff " and award pay rises , etc .

Maybe PV started life in bygone times as real port -fishing etc ,and later part of it - 1973 morphed into your version of "acte d amodiaton " -dunno just wondering
Who are the marina staff in PV acountable to ? Local council would seem obvious ,but word on the marina managers grape vine in the CdA is that
Rumour - the mayors office / council of Antibes has fallen out with the marina management and can,t wait for the lease to be up -so they can move in
I understand it's over several issues -one being the mayor wants to develope the area /car park near the Capitainnerie into a food mal -restaurant area -now -new carpark Pecheurs is open to take up the car park capicity .
As I said rumour -happy to be corrected on this if Chinese message :)
Talk of old scores to settle I have heard -
 
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Here is Artemisia passing the cap d' Antibes this afternoon. It's a slightly compressed video (720) because I'm at sea, and it's a bit shaky because I'm driving the boat as well as the iPhone! MAFWeiss I will mail you the full HD to your office on usb stick

The blue wrap is very impressive in the flesh - it is a really deep colour with a metallic looking shine - great colour and overall look.

I hope this can be viewed without copyright blocks - it has a rather aptly named Pink Floyd soundtrack. It is viewable in France but if it doesn't work elsewhere tell me and I'll make aversion without music

 
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jfm said:
I hope this can be viewed without copyright blocks
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Works fine in IT - including the "Any Colour You Like" soundtrack.
Nice cruising attitude, also at lowish speed! :encouragement:

No c/flag, though - tut, tut.
...forums, you know. There's always some envious smartarse around... :D
 
Portofino said:
No prop shaft angle ---IPS- i think -more surprising if she was not level .
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Not sure to agree there.
With pods, the vertical component of the thrust vector (which contributes to lifting the hull) is actually smaller than with shafts, AOTBE.
Otoh, if you mean that one of IPS requirements is a flattish hull deadrise, you might have a point.
The opposite is not valid, though: there's nothing restricting builders to build shaft boats with a shallow deadrise, so at the end of the day I don't think the equation pods=lower AoA is correct anyway.
 
MapisM said:
Not sure to agree there.
With pods, the vertical component of the thrust vector (which contributes to lifting the hull) is actually smaller than with shafts, AOTBE.
Otoh, if you mean that one of IPS requirements is a flattish hull deadrise, you might have a point.
The opposite is not valid, though: there's nothing restricting builders to build shaft boats with a shallow deadrise, so at the end of the day I don't think the equation pods=lower AoA is correct anyway.
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Walk round any dockyard ,the Pod boats it actually angled about 5 degrees down facing forwards -so with a little hull lift from what ever ( flat aft or not so sharp bow -does not matter ) the pod props shafts are now parallel to the water surface - assume reasonable flattish sea .-when the boats going along .
Two counter rotating props may have a infuencial gyro affect too -- wanting to stay put .

Faster you go in an angled prop n shaft set up there will allways be a vertical vector -usually for what ever reason end up with some v strange attitudes of some boats . The angle of the shaft lifts the bow and sinks the stern cos props are tilted back -not perpendicular to the sea surface this can lead to "squatting " * -that why they fit trim tabs so you can attemp to lift the arse -stern and drop the bow -drag inducing -dropping the speed too /or if it s ridiculously bow high (arguable crap designed ) -speed may increase as the hull -with a bit of stern lift now becomes less draggy as it pararells out with the water
Anernesons have the luxuary of being able to parallel the props to the water and push the transom
Minimising any lost force /vector .
**Squatting more likely in when the prop is angled back on some shaft drive boats

Q. What causes squatting?

A. Many things. A slipping or cavitating prop causes a vacuum and digs a hole which the stern settles into.
Correction of prop size often corrects this. Poor hull design, or a good hull put out of trim by misplaced engine or load is a leading factor. Heavy keel, unfaired strut, scoops, or automatic bailing fixtures or anything that disrupts smooth, free flow of water to prop, can
cause cavitation and subsequent squatting.
 
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jfm said:
The blue wrap is very impressive in the flesh - it is a really deep colour with a metallic looking shine - great colour and overall look.
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Like the wrap ... I have been considering wrapping mine but JJudge has put me right off with horror stories this week ... I'd love to do my 'orrible faded brown topsides (2012 boat) in that blue ... did you get it done at the builder's or since?
 
Portofino said:
Walk round any dockyard ,the Pod boats it actually angled about 5 degrees down facing forwards -so with a little hull lift from what ever ( flat aft or not so sharp bow -does not matter ) the pod props shafts are now parallel to the water surface - assume reasonable flattish sea .-when the boats going along .
Two counter rotating props may have a infuencial gyro affect too -- wanting to stay put .

Faster you go in an angled prop n shaft set up there will allways be a vertical vector -usually for what ever reason end up with some v strange attitudes of some boats . The angle of the shaft lifts the bow and sinks the stern cos props are tilted back -not perpendicular to the sea surface this can lead to "squatting " * -that why they fit trim tabs so you can attemp to lift the arse -stern and drop the bow -drag inducing -dropping the speed too /or if it s ridiculously bow high (arguable crap designed ) -speed may increase as the hull -with a bit of stern lift now becomes less draggy as it pararells out with the water
Anernesons have the luxuary of being able to parallel the props to the water and push the transom
Minimising any lost force /vector .
**Squatting more likely in when the prop is angled back on some shaft drive boats

Q. What causes squatting?

A. Many things. A slipping or cavitating prop causes a vacuum and digs a hole which the stern settles into.
Correction of prop size often corrects this. Poor hull design, or a good hull put out of trim by misplaced engine or load is a leading factor. Heavy keel, unfaired strut, scoops, or automatic bailing fixtures or anything that disrupts smooth, free flow of water to prop, can
cause cavitation and subsequent squatting.
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Thats all a bit bollox portofino. All your explanation of forces and vectors is back to front and the gyro bit was a million miles or so off the mark.

Prestige 680 ran nicely, due to a good hull design on this score. I guess her speed in that video was about 18 knots.

@kingfisher: The wrap was done by grapefruit graphics, who come highly recommended by several customers on here including me.
 
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Kingfisher 3 said:
Like the wrap ... I have been considering wrapping mine but JJudge has put me right off with horror stories this week ... I'd love to do my 'orrible faded brown topsides (2012 boat) in that blue ... did you get it done at the builder's or since?
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No way intended as a horror story but you do need to appreciate it is a wrap not paint and that wrap is relatively fragile.

The failure of mine re it's finish I don't think is typical but even though the manufacturer did not stand behind it grapefruit did.
 
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