Artemisia - new build thread for a Prestige 680

[MapisM]

Absolutely. I can't imagine anyone on here not having studied the signature on Artemisia's best known painting in the Uffizi.

Far from pretending to have ever really "studied" her signature, but I would have sworn that she never actually used her true last name.
Are you sure that she did, or just pulling my leg...?

 

[benjenbav]

"EGO ARTEMITIA / LOMI FEC." appears in the bottom right corner of her "Judith Slaying Holofernes".

I thought it might be apposite to suggest that the new boat led to or, to put it another way, "made" the next one, in a manner of speaking.

 

[benjenbav]

I would never call any boat of mine Lomi. I loved using the name Gentileschi and Artemisia is even more beautiful and hopefully with so many years ahead of enjoyment on my 680, any future names are not worth considering at this point.

Please forgive the speculation. No harm intended. I hope you will have many years of pleasure with this superb motor yacht.

 

[MAFWeiss]

"EGO ARTEMITIA / LOMI FEC." appears in the bottom right corner of her "Judith Slaying Holofernes".

I thought it might be apposite to suggest that the new boat led to or, to put it another way, "made" the next one, in a manner of speaking.

No – explanation very simply, as previously posted, that ‘Gentileschi’ resulted from my success with a painting by the father Orazio Gentileschi – a picture now on loan to the National Gallery. When we decided to move up to the bigger 680, with the same genetic lineage as the 550, I already had decided to call her after the daughter Artemisia, which I believe is a beautiful name in any event. I have just, by chance, now acquired this wonderful, newly discovered, painting by Artemisia. So the circle is complete!

Please forgive the speculation. No harm intended. I hope you will have many years of pleasure with this superb motor yacht.

I should apologise to you if my comment re the name Lomi sounded rather curt. Was written in haste. Thank you for your kind wishes and comments

Saint Catherine of Alexandria by Artemisia (Lomi) Gentileschi

 

[benjenbav]

No – explanation very simply, as previously posted, that ‘Gentileschi’ resulted from my success with a painting by the father Orazio Gentileschi – a picture now on loan to the National Gallery. When we decided to move up to the bigger 680, with the same genetic lineage as the 550, I already had decided to call her after the daughter Artemisia, which I believe is a beautiful name in any event. I have just, by chance, now acquired this wonderful, newly discovered, painting by Artemisia. So the circle is complete!



I should apologise to you if my comment re the name Lomi sounded rather curt. Was written in haste. Thank you for your kind wishes and comments

Saint Catherine of Alexandria by Artemisia (Lomi) Gentileschi

That is a wonderful picture. The colour of the dress instantly reminded me of my very favourite painting, El Greco's St John the Evangelist.

Ahem, but back to boats. I am now very much looking forward to having the opportunity to look at the 680 at LIBS tomorrow.

 

[MAFWeiss]

That is a wonderful picture. The colour of the dress instantly reminded me of my very favourite painting, El Greco's St John the Evangelist.

Ahem, but back to boats. I am now very much looking forward to having the opportunity to look at the 680 at LIBS tomorrow.

It is indeed a wonderful picture, and a very exciting acquisition. Regarding the colour of her dress, I am in two minds about using one of the reds or greens for the illuminated lettering for Artemisia, or again replicating the same blue as the hull/hard top. I will get Yachtlite to do a visual for me and decide after that. I will probably also get a high quality print done of the portrait to hang in either our cabin or that of the VIP.

I will be at LIBS tomorrow from around 3pm onwards too, so if you or anyone else want to meet up and walk round the boat with me, do let me know.

 

[MapisM]

I am in two minds about using one of the reds or greens for the illuminated lettering for Artemisia, or again replicating the same blue as the hull/hard top.

Fwiw (i.e. not much TBH, 'cause the last thing for which I can claim to be an expert is fancy onboard lighting), I would positively go for the latter.

 

[scubaman]

Saint Catherine of Alexandria by Artemisia (Lomi) Gentileschi

Please forgive me my layman's observations but it's fantastic how painters have the ultimate control (and freedom) over light...

IMHO, Artemisia is a beautiful name for such a beautiful boat as yours.

 

[MAFWeiss]

Fwiw (i.e. not much TBH, 'cause the last thing for which I can claim to be an expert is fancy onboard lighting), I would positively go for the latter.

The 680 will be at the Dusseldorf show at the end of this month, where Yachtlite will be able to visit the boat, measure up and do some visuals to choose from. I will post them here and make a decision thereafter.

 

[BartW]

Thank you Bart.

Anybody got any recommendations of a good european stockist for stainless steel chain? And indeed the likely cost?

The boat is normally fitted with 100m of chain and hitherto I have never anchored in depths close to shore of much more than 20m, and predominantly in daytime, when I have usually let out scope of 3-4 times that.

You’re still in the building process, so I think that the builder or dealer would be happy to trade up to a Stainless steel chain, and you don’t need to bother finding a supplier ?
FWIW I bought the chain in Antwerp for 40 euro/m @150m

I don’t know why they offer 13mm, have seen boats much heavier than mine, with 12mm Anker chain.
12mm is more than adequate imho

Regarding length,
In SOF there is no need for more than 100m
Don’t know the situation in Italy

1) In south Croatia, our mostly visited harbours; Cavtat, Dubrovnic Gruz, Kobac, Korcula, Hvar, in all of them, you need to use the anchor,
In Cavtat (the most far mooring positions) and Korcula, the holding ground is bad, and fairly deep (in Cavtat the anker drops at 25m..30m)
These are all natural harbors ! Protection to swell is not ideal with certain wind conditions.

If for example you aim at putting max length out say 85m, you aim at approx. 4 boat lengths, and start dropping Anker from there, but if you aim wrong, you end up too far from the quay and have to start all over.
If you aim closer, lets say 60…70m, a bit more than 3 boat lengths, I had a few occasions that the Anker didn’t grab, pulling in, the Anker holds at 50m chain out,
50m is not enough scope during a night with a strong swell. the Anker might come loose, if you than pull in until it holds, you have even less scope.
I have had two occasions that this happened
Now with the new 150m chain I put at out least 100m, and no problems anymore in these harbors

2) In south Croatia we do many overnight moorings in coves, with the stern close to shore, boat tied with ropes to shore.
On some of these places you drop the Anker in +30m of water
You aim at dropping out the Anker as far as possible from shore,
Sometimes there is no neighbor, nothing as a reference to estimate the distance from shore, I usually estimate a bit too far, so might end up a bit too far from shore, Guests like to see the bottom for snorkeling, etc…

All no big issues, but for me a perfect reason for having more than 100m chain.
Perhaps all not applicable to you, if you stay in the Naples region most of the time,
and as I understood don’t spend many nights on Anker.
All imho

 

[rafiki_]

I will be there, so hope to meet up.

 

[jfm]

I am in two minds about using one of the reds or greens for the illuminated lettering for Artemisia, or again replicating the same blue as the hull/hard top.

Yes, wonderful picture. Yachtlite won't be able to buy LEDs in those colours unless you're prepared to buy a week's custom production from Cree, which will make Artemisia (the painting and the boat together) feel like a small change acquisition. They would therefore use RGB or RGBW. In that case, you can flick a switch and have a few presets.
Are you having the deck lighting (stair risers and nosings, side deck, etc) generally in white or blue? If white, the name would look good in white light (as one of the presets, at least)

 

[MapisM]

Now with the new 150m chain I put at out least 100m, and no problems anymore in these harbors

B, didn't such a great length of chain ever give you any problem of sideways swinging, when moored stern to?

I'm asking based on one situation I experienced in Croatia: I was moored along the external side of the harbour wall in Split ACI marina, pointing NE towards the town center.
And since a strong NE wind was predicted, I thought to deploy both anchors for good measure, roughly at a 40° angle, using almost all of my 100m chains, both sides.
I could do that because there were not enough bow lines for all boats, but around the spot they gave me, the other boats were secured to bow lines. So, there was no risk of overlapping chains.
But further down the dock, several boats much bigger than mine deployed a LOT of chain (can't tell how much exactly, but well above 100m surely) with just one anchor, because in that area there were no bow lines, and even if some of those boats did have two anchors, they would have surely made a mess by deploying both.

Eventually, the Bura arrived, even stronger than predicted, and my boat began swinging a bit more than the others on my sides, which were secured to bow lines. But it was nothing that the fender couldn't easily handle. All I had to do was recover a bit of both chains, when the wind began pushing my stern a bit too close to the dock for my tastes.
Otoh, in the area of the dock with bigger boats, each secured with just one anchor, the hell broke lose.
Bows swinging sideways 3 or 4 meters, if not more. And sometimes, some of them swung in opposite direction, hitting badly each other on their way back.
I've seen big fenders exploding like balloons and skippers trying to contrast the movements with thrusters and engines, but eventually some boats were badly damaged, in spite of all their efforts.

Bottom line, deploying chain in excess just because the space allows, in a case like this can actually add to the problem, rather than cure it.
Though in principle I agree that it's nice to have as much chain as feasible. Definitely better than a shorter chain with oversized rings!

 

[vas]

I see what you mean P., currently moored stern to with 60m out of my 70m chain out on 6m depth. What I did after a couple of good blows was tighten the chain so it actually is at least a boat length "floating" and only after rests on the seabed. Haven't experienced any v.strong sideway winds (port is reasonably protected) but I feel that the springiness of such a setup can help on moderate conditions.
Not to mention how much easier is to moor stern to with a decent length of chain out as you approach the spot. No need whatsoever for a thruster, just the two engines, tighten the windlass if the wind blows your bow sideways and you're in nicely
Will definitely miss that when my permanent mooring is setup in a month or two.

cheers

V.

 

[BartW]

Bottom line, deploying chain in excess just because the space allows, in a case like this can actually add to the problem, rather than cure it.

P, I'm not sure I follow your thinking on that,

when I expect strong wind, while using the anker on a mooring,
I put more force on the anker chain, so it lifts more from the bottom, so in order to be able to do that, and to be shure the anker keeps holding, I need lots of chain out,
I don't understand why less chain out would be better?

I do perhaps understand some of your concern,
On our mooring in PM, the bottom is fairly deep (12m) and the bow lines are in a fairly flat angle, so these are quite long,
and yes, with a strong side wind the boat easyly moves sideway's.
Bura can also be very nasty between these mountains as you know
so I alway's pull the mooring lines extremely strong when the boat stay's unmanned for a longer period,
sometimes my neighbours tie-up to my boat,..... their whinches are not powerfull enough, or they don't know how to use them ;-)

 

[MapisM]

I don't understand why less chain out would be better?

Just for geometrical reasons, B: when the holding point (anchor) is just one, aligned with the boat centerline, and very far from the bow, even with a very tight chain the bow is bound to swing sideways more, if compared (to the opposite extreme) to very short bow lines going down almost vertically, hence with the holding point very close to the bow.

Actually, in my previous example, I believe that my boat was swinging much less than the other anchored boats mostly because of the two anchors, but the chain length is also a factor, imho.
I remember one of the bigger boats particularly (a 100+ feet Canados, btw): they left out about 200m of chain (probably as much as they got), and had to use the engines to reverse close enough to the dock. Eventually, both the chain and the stern lines were as tense as strings about to snap.
In spite of that, I wouldn't have believed how much her bow was moving sideways, if I hadn't seen it.

Now, I have no countercheck of course, but common sense suggests that with less chain she might have swung a bit less.
As long as there's enough chain for the anchor to hold, obviously.
But in that case, depth was not an issue: as I suppose you know, the whole bay in Split is rather shallow, particularly on the W side, where the ACI Marina is.

 

[jfm]

I agree with MM on the geometry: for any given tension on anchor chain, and for any given sideways force (cross wind, or whatever) the boat will move sideways more if the chain is longer. That just must be a true as a matter of physics

BUT a longer chain allows you AOTBE to have more tension. So it is a trade off

MM, I remember being on the outer wall in Korcula when big Bora came. People were in trouble and breaking waves hit the bows of the boats. My solution was to rev the engine to hell (chartered Beneteau 46 sailboat) cut the stern lines and go, with crew dropping the bow line as we left. In croatia, there is always a calm anchorage on the lee side of some island, just 5 minutes around the corner!

 

[benjenbav]

I remember being on the outer wall in Korcula when big Bora came. People were in trouble and breaking waves hit the bows of the boats. My solution was to rev the engine to hell (chartered Beneteau 46 sailboat) cut the stern lines and go, with crew dropping the bow line as we left.

I know someone else who did exactly the same when embayed on a similar chartered sailboat with a, no doubt, similarly weedy engine. He said afterwards that it had reminded him of trying to overtake uphill on a moped but with some wind and waves thrown in.

 

[MapisM]

In croatia, there is always a calm anchorage on the lee side of some island, just 5 minutes around the corner!

Agreed wholeheartedly! During my decade of cruising in the HR Archipelago, I probably overnighted in marinas for 10 nights each season on average - if that.
In the occasion I mentioned, we went to Split after a few nights spent at anchor in Drvenik Veli, a lovely and very sheltered bay SE of Trogir, and I regretted not being still there, during that blow. But we had to go to Split because some friends had a plane to catch.
The outer wall in ACI Split is actually safer than in Korcula anyway, because it is only "outer" with respect to the marina, but it's pointed towards the inner part of the bay, with a relatively short fetch. Therefore, waves are less of a problem: also in that occasion, we did have some waves, enough to make boats pitching a bit, but the sideways boat movements were mostly due to the wind strength (and gusts!).
In Korcula, you definitely made the right call, because the outer wall can become downright dangerous, due to the wide open fetch up to the Peljesac peninsula (i.e. well above 1nm, IIRC). Enough to build up some nasty and steep breaking waves, depending on how long the wind lasts.
Though other than that, Korcula is indeed a little gem, I must say!

 

[BartW]

Now, I have no countercheck of course, but common sense suggests that with less chain she might have swung a bit less.
As long as there's enough chain for the anchor to hold, obviously.

P, for shure I agree that with a twin anker deployment, the boat holds better and moves less with a side wind,

but I'm only referring to BA and this P680, and the more commely used setup, with just one anker,
and here again in your post quoted above, I don't understand why with less chain, the boat swings less,

imo, for good holding you need a reasonable length of chain flat on the bottom, and I don't see any reason why the boat would move less if this length is shorter, the only way to have less swing, is more force on the chain, and consequently more chain lifted from the bottom, but still enough chain on the bottom to hold the strong force

oei, yet again another anker discussion here I used to stay away from these threads